Greg Jenner

My stopwatch is ready. Take it away, Dr Estelle.

My stopwatch is ready. Take it away, Dr Estelle.

Thank you very much. Beautifully said. That was really beautiful.

Thank you very much. Beautifully said. That was really beautiful.

OK, well, thank you so much, Estelle. Thank you, Shappi. And listener, if you want to hear more of Shappi, you can check out our episodes on Justinian and Theodora, another fascinating royal rags to riches tale. Or, of course, the ancient Olympics episode, if you want to get your Olympics nostalgia vibes on.

OK, well, thank you so much, Estelle. Thank you, Shappi. And listener, if you want to hear more of Shappi, you can check out our episodes on Justinian and Theodora, another fascinating royal rags to riches tale. Or, of course, the ancient Olympics episode, if you want to get your Olympics nostalgia vibes on.

And for more quality queens, we have episodes on Emma of Normandy and Eleanor of Aquitaine. And remember, if you enjoyed the podcast, please leave us a review, share the show with your friends, subscribe to You're Dead to Me on BBC Sound so you never miss an episode. And I'd just like to say a huge thank you to our guests.

And for more quality queens, we have episodes on Emma of Normandy and Eleanor of Aquitaine. And remember, if you enjoyed the podcast, please leave us a review, share the show with your friends, subscribe to You're Dead to Me on BBC Sound so you never miss an episode. And I'd just like to say a huge thank you to our guests.

In History Corner, we have the excellent Dr Estelle Perronc from Northeastern University, London. Thank you, Estelle.

In History Corner, we have the excellent Dr Estelle Perronc from Northeastern University, London. Thank you, Estelle.

And in Comedy Corner, we had the sensational Shaparak Korsandi. Thank you, Shappi.

And in Comedy Corner, we had the sensational Shaparak Korsandi. Thank you, Shappi.

It's been fab. And to you, lovely listener, join me next time as we crown another historical subject. But for now, I'm off to go invent the Giza biscuit to rival the Bourbons. Bye!

It's been fab. And to you, lovely listener, join me next time as we crown another historical subject. But for now, I'm off to go invent the Giza biscuit to rival the Bourbons. Bye!

Hello and welcome to You're Dead to Me, the Radio 4 comedy podcast that takes history seriously. My name is Greg Jenner. I'm a public historian, author and broadcaster. And today we are packing our William Morris book bags and heading back to the 19th century to learn all about the arts and crafts movement. And to help us spin this story, we have two practitioners of very different arts.

Hello and welcome to You're Dead to Me, the Radio 4 comedy podcast that takes history seriously. My name is Greg Jenner. I'm a public historian, author and broadcaster. And today we are packing our William Morris book bags and heading back to the 19th century to learn all about the arts and crafts movement. And to help us spin this story, we have two practitioners of very different arts.

In History Corner, she's curator of the Royal School of Needlework and a research consultant at Whitney Antiques. She's an art historian of the material culture of the 17th to 19th centuries. You might have listened to her podcast, So What? It's a pun. It's Dr. Isabella Rosner. Welcome, Isabella.

In History Corner, she's curator of the Royal School of Needlework and a research consultant at Whitney Antiques. She's an art historian of the material culture of the 17th to 19th centuries. You might have listened to her podcast, So What? It's a pun. It's Dr. Isabella Rosner. Welcome, Isabella.

We're delighted to have you here. And in Comedy Corner, she is a comedian, actor, improviser, writer and podcaster. You may know her from her podcast, Griefcast, an award-winning show. It's spin-off book, You Are Not Alone, her many TV appearances, her Weirdos Book Club podcast with lovely Sarah Pascoe, or her new children's book, The Christmas Wishtastrophe.

We're delighted to have you here. And in Comedy Corner, she is a comedian, actor, improviser, writer and podcaster. You may know her from her podcast, Griefcast, an award-winning show. It's spin-off book, You Are Not Alone, her many TV appearances, her Weirdos Book Club podcast with lovely Sarah Pascoe, or her new children's book, The Christmas Wishtastrophe.