Greg Jenner

I know I'm being annoying, but we have to be true. The Industrial Revolution creates a middle class.

Yeah, and that's always the case, right? You can have grand, lofty ambitions, but the economics are always going to underpin, does this work or not? What's interesting about Morris, he's obviously self-taught, as we've heard, all these things he's picking up. He's also getting other people to teach themselves. He's inspiring others. We know of an artist called William de Morgan.

Yeah, and that's always the case, right? You can have grand, lofty ambitions, but the economics are always going to underpin, does this work or not? What's interesting about Morris, he's obviously self-taught, as we've heard, all these things he's picking up. He's also getting other people to teach themselves. He's inspiring others. We know of an artist called William de Morgan.

He teaches himself ceramics. He has a minor mishap. Just a little one. Do you want to guess what happens? Does he blow up a kiln? Yes, he does.

He teaches himself ceramics. He has a minor mishap. Just a little one. Do you want to guess what happens? Does he blow up a kiln? Yes, he does.

It's like his house is on fire.

It's like his house is on fire.

There's another artist we should mention, actually, because she's slightly different in that she went outside. Gertrude Jekyll.

There's another artist we should mention, actually, because she's slightly different in that she went outside. Gertrude Jekyll.

Who did interior, but she also did gardens.

Who did interior, but she also did gardens.

Yeah, I mean, there's quite a lot of good names in this episode.

Yeah, I mean, there's quite a lot of good names in this episode.

The thing that I find quite interesting is the arts and crafts ethos moves beyond Morris' control. And that happens, right? We happen to see that in music, we see that in comedy.

The thing that I find quite interesting is the arts and crafts ethos moves beyond Morris' control. And that happens, right? We happen to see that in music, we see that in comedy.

But we get a sense of an arts and crafts movement out of England into Scotland, into Wales, into Ireland, maybe internationally, I don't know.

But we get a sense of an arts and crafts movement out of England into Scotland, into Wales, into Ireland, maybe internationally, I don't know.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.