Greg Jenner

Amazing. Cariad, we're used to artists being useless at the basic.

Amazing. Cariad, we're used to artists being useless at the basic.

No, this goes really well. They expanded to bigger premises near Wimbledon.

No, this goes really well. They expanded to bigger premises near Wimbledon.

I'm going to be an agent provocateur here, Isabella, because as a historian, I'm going to have to say, one of the reasons the company flourishes is because of the Industrial Revolution. Mm.

I'm going to be an agent provocateur here, Isabella, because as a historian, I'm going to have to say, one of the reasons the company flourishes is because of the Industrial Revolution. Mm.

I mean, come on. I mean, they're rejecting it.

I mean, come on. I mean, they're rejecting it.

I know I'm being annoying, but we have to be true about it. The Industrial Revolution creates a middle class.

I know I'm being annoying, but we have to be true about it. The Industrial Revolution creates a middle class.

Yeah, and that's always the case, right? You can have grand lofty ambitions, but the economics are always going to underpin, does this work or not? There's another artist we should mention, actually, because she's slightly different in that she went outside. Gertrude Jekyll.

Yeah, and that's always the case, right? You can have grand lofty ambitions, but the economics are always going to underpin, does this work or not? There's another artist we should mention, actually, because she's slightly different in that she went outside. Gertrude Jekyll.

Who did interior, but she also did gardens.

Who did interior, but she also did gardens.

Yeah, I mean, there's quite a lot of good names in this episode.

Yeah, I mean, there's quite a lot of good names in this episode.

What's interesting about Morris, he's obviously self-taught, as we've heard, all these things he's picking up. He's also getting other people to teach themselves. He's inspiring others. We know of an artist called William de Morgan. He teaches himself ceramics. He has a minor mishap.

What's interesting about Morris, he's obviously self-taught, as we've heard, all these things he's picking up. He's also getting other people to teach themselves. He's inspiring others. We know of an artist called William de Morgan. He teaches himself ceramics. He has a minor mishap.

Do you want to guess what happens? Does he blow up a kiln? Yes, he does.

Do you want to guess what happens? Does he blow up a kiln? Yes, he does.