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Greg Jenner

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You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

Elokuvan suurta Gilgameshaa. TÀrkeimmÀmme henkilö on kaksi kolmeaikainen. HÀnellÀ on pieni muotoilu Bilgameshille Gilgameshille. HÀn sijaitsee palestiin 18 kautta. Moodie, miten Gilgameshin tarina aloittaa? KysytÀÀnkö hÀnet vanhempana? KysytÀÀnkö hÀnet reiluun?

You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

Hienosti puhuttu, ja se oli Radio 4, joten hyvin tehty. Mary Lane teki erittÀin kaunista ja hienoa kuvauksia. Se on hieman enemmÀn Julie Cooper-kirjaa, eikö? Se on hieman enemmÀn rasista kuin se. Se ei ole rakkaus, vaan se on hieman rumpu. KyllÀ. Mutta he eivÀt ole rakkautuneet.

You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

He nÀyttÀvÀt olevan samanlaisia, he kivovat ja tekevÀt ystÀviÀ ja Gilgamesh kivoo Enkidua kuten naisen. SiinÀ kÀytetÀÀn todella mielenkiintoista kuvauksia. Oikeasta kysymyksestÀ on se, ettÀ sanoit, ettÀ se on samanlaista. MeillÀ on se idea, ettÀ Enkidu on lÀhestymÀssÀ hÀnen kanssaan, mutta kuulostaa, ettÀ se on enemmÀn romanttinen kuin... Se on platoninen rakkaus, mutta se on myös yllÀttÀminen.

You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

modern the polyamory here, isn't it? Because we've got Gilgamesh sending along a lady to seduce his future boyfriend. It's quite open. Yeah. I mean, this feels like a love between two men. Yeah, I think it absolutely is, even if kind of earlier translators were reticent to say that. The Victorians were like, they're just good friends. Yes, exactly. They were just flatmates. They just lived together as friends. They're just bros, okay? They're just bros and they just like watching rugby. A beautiful story of love. Yeah.

You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

Okei. TÀmÀ on melko kivaa asiaa. KyllÀ, se on melko graafinen. He eivÀt halunneet miettiÀ niiden sanat. He halusivat, ettÀ on melko selkeÀÀ, mitÀ tapahtuu. Melko selkeÀÀ, mitÀ tapahtuu. Okei, seitsemÀn pÀivÀÀ ja seitsemÀn iltapÀivÀÀ erottamista. HyvÀ tehtÀvÀ hÀnelle. MeillÀ on tÀllainen kaunis pohja, ja meillÀ on Gilgamesh soittamassa hÀneltÀ Ninky Doolla. MikÀ on ensimmÀinen kokemus, jonka he kÀyvÀt? Miksi he eivÀt tarvitse kÀydÀ kokemusta?

You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

Ja todelliset kansalaiset menivÀt nÀihin metsÀksiin ja saivat rauhaa rakentaa talveja, rauhoja ja niin edelleen. Joten se on heidÀn ensimmÀinen ympÀristö. YmpÀristön ensimmÀinen ympÀristö on, ettÀ menemme tappamaan metsÀn jÀrjestÀjÀÀ. KyllÀ. Kun ystÀvÀsi tuntuu syvÀltÀ, mitÀ teemme, kun ystÀvÀsi tuntuu syvÀltÀ? Menemme tappamaan jonkinlaista Jumalaa. KyllÀ. Me olemme olleet liian rakastuneita. Laitamme tÀmÀn ulos.

You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

TÀmÀ on hieno Tinder-profilti. Hei, iso, rauhoittunut. YlöspÀin mitÀ tahansa. Okei, niin he menovat kuttelemaan suomalaisen kivun. Moody, mikÀ on Humbabas fysiikki? MitÀ hÀn nÀyttÀÀ?

You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

He've done this. Why have they gone and destroyed the guardian of the forest and cut down so many of the trees? So it's a really interesting scene. I feel for Enkidu. He's made his first friend, and his first friend is a bad influence. Dragging him on these stupid quests. He just wants to hang out in the forest. So Enkidu, and Gilgamesh primarily, has killed an important forest guardian. Is he a god? Is he of that level? Is he created by the god Mbaba?

You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

She gets pretty angry and calls on her father, Anu, the sky god, to send down the bull of heaven, which is the constellation Taurus, to kill Gilgamesh. That's me. I'm Taurus. Are you? Yeah. Okay, well you might not like what happens next in this story then. Why? Well, because the bull of heaven is sent down to kill Gilgamesh. To kill Gamesh. And Gilgamesh, he's not being punished for slaughtering the innocent forest guardian. He's being punished for rejecting a sex god. I feel like he's learned nothing. Exactly.

You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

HÀn vaikuttaa nyt selestiaaliseen kukkumaan. Marjolaine, miten olet valmistunut selestiaaliseen kukkumaan? PidÀt sen selestiaaliseen kukkumaan kevÀÀllÀ pelkkÀstÀ aikaa. Kukkumaan pÀÀllÀ. Olet puhuttu oikeastaan kukkumaan. Se on hyvÀ vanha kukku. En tiedÀ, onko vanha kukku ollut aiemmin. Moody, voitko antaa meidÀt kukkumaan?

You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

It just reminds me of Aphrodite's conception. Yes. When she's born from the actual testes of Kronos. That's right, yeah. But then this is very much not her being born from it, but having it thrown at her. But this bull had been sent down by Anu, because Ishtar had been rejected, and then they kill the bull, hand the heart back to Anu and go, there you go, that's what happens to your bull, and meanwhile chuck a bull's penis at the woman who proposed marriage. It's very petty. It is, yeah.

You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

TÀÀllÀ ei ole kasvavaa, onko se? Ei, se ei tarvitse pitÀÀ aikaa. MielestÀni olisin oikeassa, hÀn ei oppi mitÀÀn. Mutta tietysti hÀn on vain vahvistamassa itseÀÀn, jossa hÀn on vahvistamassa itseÀÀn. Mutta hÀn oli todella haastavaa Ishtaraa, ettÀ se tapahtui. HÀn oli, ja laittaa iskua ei ole hyvin vanhempi tehtÀvÀ. Sitten mitÀ tapahtuu Gilgameshin Enkiduun?

You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

Wow. So a very powerful scene. Gilgamesh has been punished by having the one thing he loves taken from him. Mary Lane, what do you think a grieving Gilgamesh does after the funeral? I mean, I still don't think he's learned anything. You don't think he's grown from this? No. I think he wants revenge. Oh, so you think he's going to go John Wick?

You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

Joten hÀnen uuden nimensÀ on Uhtonopishti, mutta hÀn olisi ollut Atrahasin vanhoissa myyntissÀ. SehÀn tulee takaisin meille. Jotkut voidaan tunnistaa Noahin ja Jeesuksen myyntissÀ. Onko se tÀrkeÀ kysymys, ettÀ onko tuo kirja vain kilpailussa Gilgamesh-narratiivista vai ovatko he molemmat puhuneet samanlaisia tapahtumia tai onko niillÀ jotain kirjallista yhteyttÀ?

You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

Okay, so he speaks to the innkeeper called Shiduri. Shiduri, yeah. And she directs him to what are called the waters of death that you have to cross with a specific ferryman called Urshanabi, I think is his name, to reach Utunapishti. Okay, so that's kind of River Styx stuff, right? So people who know the Greek myth are kind of going, I've heard this before. So these myths are sort of interfolded and they keep echoing each other. But this is a much older myth than the Greek ones, I suppose, no?

You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

KyllÀ. En tiedÀ, kuinka aiemmin niitÀ olisi ollut. Ne ovat myöhemmin. HÀn kÀy sydÀmellÀ. Se kuulostaa pahalta. Se kuulostaa, ettÀ se on melkein palavaa, Marjolaine. Haluaisitko? ElÀÀ aina? Ei. Jos voit mennÀ seuraavaksi, olisit aina pitÀnyt ajatella siitÀ.

You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

YmpÀristön ympÀristön ympÀristö on tÀrkeÀmpi kuin oma elÀmÀsi. Ja tek-piljonaarit ovat kuten, ettÀ eivÀt, haluan elÀÀ koko ajan! Se on todella kaunis. Onko Gilgamesh nÀhnyt kaunista? Olet varma, ettÀ hÀn ei oppi. HÀn voi laittaa williÀ johonkin. Se on hyvÀ pointti. Onko meidÀn hauska, suuri, vahva, syvÀllinen reilu... ...jotenkin, ettÀ olen haastanut vÀÀrÀn asian koko ajan?

You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

Nope. Gilgamesh, come on! I know. I think I don't remember it because I've blocked it. You're just so disappointed in this guy. Relentless, yeah. He's just so refusing to grow as a person. Exactly. Not yet, not yet. Okay, all right. So Uhtonopishti is like, well, okay, fine. There is something called the plant of heartbeat.

You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

KyllÀ. Tuo suomalainen dokumentti. KyllÀ, Frozen 2. Se on hyvin tÀrkeÀ elokuvani elÀmÀssÀni 6-vuotiaana. Joulu on muistia. Joulu on muistia, kyllÀ. TÀmÀ tarina on Babylonian, joten se on hyvin, hyvin pitkÀlle heti.

You're Dead to Me
Epic of Gilgamesh: myths and heroes in ancient Mesopotamia

Let's try some of this apple. Where did the apple come from? I mean, snakes are quite, you know, they're good and bad in mythology of ancient Mesopotamia, so they're ambiguous. It's a cheeky snake. It's a very cheeky snake. It's a yoink moment, as Mary Lane said. Okay, so the snake has stolen his eternal life. Yeah. Gutting. Does Gilgamesh now get the memo and go, okay, I'll give up on the whole living forever thing? At long last. Hooray! Personal development. Is that personal development or...