Greg Lukianoff

We also heard that comedians were saying that they couldn't use their good humor anymore.

This was right around the time that Jerry Seinfeld and Chris Rock said that they didn't want to play on campuses because they couldn't be funny.

But we featured a case of a comedian who wanted to do a musical called The Passion of the Musical, Making Fun of the Passion of the Christ, with the stated goal of offending everyone, every group equally.

It was very much a South Park mission.

Mm-hmm.

And it's an unusual case because we actually got documentation of administrators buying tickets for angry students and holding an event where they trained them to jump up in the middle of it and shout, I'm offended.

Like they bought them tickets.

They sent them to this thing with the goal of shouting it down.

Now, unsurprisingly, when you send an angry group of students to shut down a play, it's not going to end at just –

I'm offended.

And it got heated.

There were death threats being thrown.

And then the Pullman Washington police told Chris Lee, the guy who made the play, that they wouldn't actually protect him.

Now, it's not every day you're going to have that kind of hard evidence of actually seeing the administrators be so brazen that they recorded the fact that they bought them tickets and sent them.

But I think a lot of that stuff is going on.

And I think it's a good excuse to cut down on one of the big problems in higher education today, which is hyper-bureaucratization.

Yeah, and that's something that has been profoundly disappointing, is that when you look at the huge uptick in attempts to get professors fired that we've seen over the last 10 years, and actually over the last 22 years, as far back as our records go,

At first, they were overwhelmingly led by administrators, attempts to get professors punished.

I'd say that was my career up until 2013 was fighting back at administrative excesses.

Then you start having the problem in 2014 of students trying to get people canceled, and that really accelerated in 2017.