Greg Lukianoff

But I think that, I imagine almost being like a stream within X that was truth-focused, that agrees to some additional rules on how they would argue.

Yeah.

What about-ism, yeah, that's everywhere when you look at it, when you look at Twitter, when you look at social media in general.

And the first, what we call the obstacle course is basically time-tested, old-fashioned, you know...

argumentative dodges that everybody uses.

And whataboutism is just bringing up something, you know, like someone makes an argument like, Biden is corrupt.

And then someone says, well, Trump was worse, you know, like, and that's not an illegitimate, you know, argument to make back, but it does, it seems to happen every time someone makes an assertion, someone just points out some other thing that was going on.

And it can get increasingly attenuated from what you're actually trying to argue.

And when you, and you see this all the time on social media.

And it's kind of – I was a big fan of Jon Stewart's Daily Show, but an awful lot of what the humor was and what the tactic was for arguing was this thing over here.

It's like, oh, I'm making this argument about this important problem.

Oh, actually, there's this other problem over here that I'm more concerned about.

And, you know, let's pick on the right here.

So January 6th, you know, watching everybody arguing about CHOP, you know, like the occupied part of Seattle or the occupied part of Portland and basically trying to like, oh, you're bringing up the riot on January 6th.

And by the way, I live on Capitol Hill.

So believe me, I was very aware of like how scary and bad it was.

um you know like i just my dad grew up in yugoslavia and that was a night where we all ate dinner in the basement because i'm like oh when the goes down eat in the basement it was it was it was genuinely scary and people would try to deflect from january 6 being serious by actually being making the argument that oh well there are crazy horrible things happening in all over the country uh you know riots uh um that came from some of the social justice protests

And, of course, the answer is you can be concerned about both of these things and find them both problems.

But, you know, if I'm arguing about CHOP, you know, someone bringing up January 6th isn't super relevant to it.

Or if I'm arguing about January 6th, someone bringing up the riots in 2020 isn't that helpful.