Greg Lukianoff

I even mentioned in the book there was a time when a –

A gay activist friend who was, I think, decidedly to my left, but nonetheless had that pragmatic experience of actually being an activist, said something like, well, just because someone's conservative doesn't mean they're wrong.

And I remember feeling kind of scandalized at some level of just being like, well, no, that's kind of, isn't that the whole thing when we're saying is that they're just kind of bad people with bad ideas?

You can just throw, oh, that guy's a right winger.

Don't have to think about you anymore.

And it's weird because it's effective.

That's why it keeps on getting used.

Essentially, it should have hit someone's, because I have a great,

liberal pedigree, everything from working at the ACLU to doing refugee law in Eastern Europe.

I was part of an environmental mentoring program for inner city high school kids in DC.

I can defend myself as being on the left, but I hate doing that because there's also part of me that's like, okay, so what?

Like are you really saying that if you can magically make me argue or convince yourself that I'm on the right that you don't have to listen to me anymore?

And again, that's arguing like children.

And the reason why this has become so popular is because even among – or maybe especially among elites that it works so effectively as a perfect weapon that you can use uncritically.

If I can just prove you're on the right, I don't have to think about you.

It's no wonder that suddenly you start seeing people calling the ACLU right-wing and calling the New York Times right-wing because it's been such an effective way to delegitimize people as thinkers.

Steven Pinker, who's on our board of advisors, he refers to academia as being the left pole, that essentially it's a position that from that point of view, everything looks as if it's on the right.

But once it becomes a tactic that we accept – and that's one of the reasons why I'm more on the left.

But I think I'm left of center liberal.

Ricky is more conservative, libertarian.