Greg Lukianoff

And actually, a lot of the research that I got most interested in was done in conjunction with the great Cass Sunstein, who writes a lot about group polarization.

And the research on this is very strong, that essentially when you have groups with –

And you can see this actually in judges, for example.

It tends to produce reliably more moderate outcomes, whereas groups that have low political diversity tend to sort of spiral off in their own direction.

And when you have a super majority of people from just one political perspective, that's a problem for the production of ideas.

It creates a situation where there are sacred ideas.

And when you look at some of the departments, I think the estimate from the Crimson is that Harvard has 3% conservatives.

But when you look at different departments, there are elite departments that have literally no conservatives in them.

And I think that's an unhealthy intellectual environment.

The problem is definitely worse.

As you get more elite, we definitely see more cases of lefty professors getting canceled at less elite schools.

It gets worse as you get down from the elite schools.

That's where a lot of the one-third of attempts to get professors punished that are successful do come from the right and largely from off-campus sources.

We spend a lot of time talking about that in the book as well.

It's something that I do think is underappreciated.

Uh, but when it comes to the low, low viewpoint diversity, it, it's, you know, it works out kind of like you'd expect to a degree, you know, economics is what four to one or something like that.

Mm-hmm it's not as bad.

Um, but then when you start getting into some of the humanities, you know, like there are departments that they're literally none.

I don't love – and this is an argument that you'll sometimes run into on the left, just the argument that, well, people on the left are just smarter.

And it's like, okay.