Gregg Braden

So the first cave and the first vase that they found, and these are not little bell jars. I mean, these are big clay vases. They're bigger than this. No, they're like this tall. And they were sealed. with tar and pitch, and that's what kept the scrolls in the dry desert environment.

So the first cave and the first vase that they found, and these are not little bell jars. I mean, these are big clay vases. They're bigger than this. No, they're like this tall. And they were sealed. with tar and pitch, and that's what kept the scrolls in the dry desert environment.

So the first cave and the first vase that they found, and these are not little bell jars. I mean, these are big clay vases. They're bigger than this. No, they're like this tall. And they were sealed. with tar and pitch, and that's what kept the scrolls in the dry desert environment.

In the first cave, the first scroll that was pulled, the first vase that was pulled out, and the first scroll that came out of that is the reason that so many of the scrolls, for 45 years, there was a legal battle not to release the translations into the public. And it was not until the early 1990s. I was a member of something called BAR, Biblical Archaeology Society.

In the first cave, the first scroll that was pulled, the first vase that was pulled out, and the first scroll that came out of that is the reason that so many of the scrolls, for 45 years, there was a legal battle not to release the translations into the public. And it was not until the early 1990s. I was a member of something called BAR, Biblical Archaeology Society.

In the first cave, the first scroll that was pulled, the first vase that was pulled out, and the first scroll that came out of that is the reason that so many of the scrolls, for 45 years, there was a legal battle not to release the translations into the public. And it was not until the early 1990s. I was a member of something called BAR, Biblical Archaeology Society.

I don't talk about it a lot because it doesn't come up, but it's relevant here. Herschel Shanks was the man that headed up the Biblical Archaeology Society, Archaeological Society, and he pushed and legally pushed archaeology. to have the translations released. The Vatican was pushing back, and there was a lot of political pushback, and he very courageously pushed to have these released.

I don't talk about it a lot because it doesn't come up, but it's relevant here. Herschel Shanks was the man that headed up the Biblical Archaeology Society, Archaeological Society, and he pushed and legally pushed archaeology. to have the translations released. The Vatican was pushing back, and there was a lot of political pushback, and he very courageously pushed to have these released.

I don't talk about it a lot because it doesn't come up, but it's relevant here. Herschel Shanks was the man that headed up the Biblical Archaeology Society, Archaeological Society, and he pushed and legally pushed archaeology. to have the translations released. The Vatican was pushing back, and there was a lot of political pushback, and he very courageously pushed to have these released.

What could possibly be in the scrolls that are over 2,500 years old that would warrant holding them from the public for 45 years? And the answer was in that first scroll. So I'm going to say this, and it will be the context for everything we're going to talk about for the rest of this conversation. That scroll spells out very clearly. It's called the War Scroll, 19 columns.

What could possibly be in the scrolls that are over 2,500 years old that would warrant holding them from the public for 45 years? And the answer was in that first scroll. So I'm going to say this, and it will be the context for everything we're going to talk about for the rest of this conversation. That scroll spells out very clearly. It's called the War Scroll, 19 columns.

What could possibly be in the scrolls that are over 2,500 years old that would warrant holding them from the public for 45 years? And the answer was in that first scroll. So I'm going to say this, and it will be the context for everything we're going to talk about for the rest of this conversation. That scroll spells out very clearly. It's called the War Scroll, 19 columns.

When the first of our kind appeared, we were born into an ancient battle that continues to this day. And the very language, this is the exact language, is a battle between what is called the sons of darkness and the sons of light. I had a program recently, and I shared that, and there was a woman in the audience who was very offended because she thought it was sexist. Sexist?

When the first of our kind appeared, we were born into an ancient battle that continues to this day. And the very language, this is the exact language, is a battle between what is called the sons of darkness and the sons of light. I had a program recently, and I shared that, and there was a woman in the audience who was very offended because she thought it was sexist. Sexist?

When the first of our kind appeared, we were born into an ancient battle that continues to this day. And the very language, this is the exact language, is a battle between what is called the sons of darkness and the sons of light. I had a program recently, and I shared that, and there was a woman in the audience who was very offended because she thought it was sexist. Sexist?

Because they didn't— Their sons? Because of sons. And what I want to say is that 2,500 years ago, sons included men and women. They didn't have the gender conversation going on that we've got going on right now. So we are living, these scrolls, are they ancient? Yes. Are they obsolete? No. We are living right now the battle between the sons of darkness and the sons of light.

Because they didn't— Their sons? Because of sons. And what I want to say is that 2,500 years ago, sons included men and women. They didn't have the gender conversation going on that we've got going on right now. So we are living, these scrolls, are they ancient? Yes. Are they obsolete? No. We are living right now the battle between the sons of darkness and the sons of light.

Because they didn't— Their sons? Because of sons. And what I want to say is that 2,500 years ago, sons included men and women. They didn't have the gender conversation going on that we've got going on right now. So we are living, these scrolls, are they ancient? Yes. Are they obsolete? No. We are living right now the battle between the sons of darkness and the sons of light.

And that battle is playing out in terms people are more familiar with in terms of what we call good and evil. Now the battle ebbs and flows throughout time.

And that battle is playing out in terms people are more familiar with in terms of what we call good and evil. Now the battle ebbs and flows throughout time.