Gretchen Carlson

And now she'll say when we're on panels, you know, she'll be like, that was the biggest mistake I made in my life was not telling these women to actually come forward and say something because that's how you make change. The more people that come forward at great risk,

And now she'll say when we're on panels, you know, she'll be like, that was the biggest mistake I made in my life was not telling these women to actually come forward and say something because that's how you make change. The more people that come forward at great risk,

But the more people that come forward, the more we normalize this and the more that we push out the bad actors and hopefully start to celebrate the people that have the courage to tell the truth. But what's been happening since the beginning of time was just that we were told to shut up and endure and that this is what women have to deal with in order to get ahead.

But the more people that come forward, the more we normalize this and the more that we push out the bad actors and hopefully start to celebrate the people that have the courage to tell the truth. But what's been happening since the beginning of time was just that we were told to shut up and endure and that this is what women have to deal with in order to get ahead.

And hopefully my actions and the actions of so many other people before me and so many other people past have started to change that landscape. I said earlier, it's a tangled web to fix this. And I've passed two laws, federal laws, to start the process. That forces change. When you change the law, that forces behavioral change.

And hopefully my actions and the actions of so many other people before me and so many other people past have started to change that landscape. I said earlier, it's a tangled web to fix this. And I've passed two laws, federal laws, to start the process. That forces change. When you change the law, that forces behavioral change.

But I often say that changing culture is more difficult than even passing bipartisan laws in this fractured America that we live in politically. And that's saying a lot because that was really hard. But changing culture is really, really difficult because it's ingrained in us from an early age, how we treat people, how we think about people.

But I often say that changing culture is more difficult than even passing bipartisan laws in this fractured America that we live in politically. And that's saying a lot because that was really hard. But changing culture is really, really difficult because it's ingrained in us from an early age, how we treat people, how we think about people.

Why do we ingrain in our culture to penalize people who come forward? I don't know, but we do. And so that's why people stay silent. That's why they shut up. And then we add in silencing mechanisms and then you just have this horrible, vicious cycle.

Why do we ingrain in our culture to penalize people who come forward? I don't know, but we do. And so that's why people stay silent. That's why they shut up. And then we add in silencing mechanisms and then you just have this horrible, vicious cycle.

So my advice is that the more that we can put bravery inside of people by example, the more that we can start to change laws and that changes culture, the more we normalize the ability for people to come forward, the more that we can change the hearts and minds of men who run, still run the majority of the world to understand these issues.

So my advice is that the more that we can put bravery inside of people by example, the more that we can start to change laws and that changes culture, the more we normalize the ability for people to come forward, the more that we can change the hearts and minds of men who run, still run the majority of the world to understand these issues.

It's a lot of different things that have to happen at the same time for things to actually change.

It's a lot of different things that have to happen at the same time for things to actually change.

Look, I think that that's a cop out. When I started hearing that, that even our own vice president at the time, Mike Pence, said that men shouldn't take women out to dinner for work anymore. Like, what? Okay, you know when you are behaving badly. You know what crosses the line. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know what's appropriate and what is not.

Look, I think that that's a cop out. When I started hearing that, that even our own vice president at the time, Mike Pence, said that men shouldn't take women out to dinner for work anymore. Like, what? Okay, you know when you are behaving badly. You know what crosses the line. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know what's appropriate and what is not.

And it shouldn't be on the shoulders of women at work to have to take another hit, to not be able to go to dinners, to not be able to go to travel outings, to have men feel even more uncomfortable now. No, you should know how to behave is where we should be thinking. So that to me was like this massive cop-out. Like, well, we're just going to hire men now. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead.

And it shouldn't be on the shoulders of women at work to have to take another hit, to not be able to go to dinners, to not be able to go to travel outings, to have men feel even more uncomfortable now. No, you should know how to behave is where we should be thinking. So that to me was like this massive cop-out. Like, well, we're just going to hire men now. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead.

Because every study shows that the more diversity you have, the greater your bottom line. So even if you only care about money, You should hire women and people of color. So that was, to me, was such a cop-out because what was happening was that we had this shift in power. When this Me Too movement started, men were starting to be held accountable. Women were starting to gain more power and voice.

Because every study shows that the more diversity you have, the greater your bottom line. So even if you only care about money, You should hire women and people of color. So that was, to me, was such a cop-out because what was happening was that we had this shift in power. When this Me Too movement started, men were starting to be held accountable. Women were starting to gain more power and voice.