Gretchen Rubin

Yeah, so by way of background, a lot of times people will say, oh, because my sister and I have this podcast together, like, oh, you two are so close. Like, was there anything that your parents did to help you to stay close? And so what my parents did is they would always pay any time when we were young adults for us to go see each other. So if Elizabeth was taking the train,

from New York City to New Haven, they would pay for that, or if we were gonna go, so that we could afford to do it. Another thing that they did, I was just thinking about this today, is that they didn't, if we made plans together, as young adults or as adults, they didn't always insist that they could join us.

from New York City to New Haven, they would pay for that, or if we were gonna go, so that we could afford to do it. Another thing that they did, I was just thinking about this today, is that they didn't, if we made plans together, as young adults or as adults, they didn't always insist that they could join us.

from New York City to New Haven, they would pay for that, or if we were gonna go, so that we could afford to do it. Another thing that they did, I was just thinking about this today, is that they didn't, if we made plans together, as young adults or as adults, they didn't always insist that they could join us.

Because lately, I've noticed with Eliza and Eleanor, Eleanor was home from college, and Eliza lives in New York City, and they went out to lunch. And I wanted to say, well, I'd like to come to lunch with them. But I'm like, no, they have to have time together, just them. And they can't feel like they can't tell me or

Because lately, I've noticed with Eliza and Eleanor, Eleanor was home from college, and Eliza lives in New York City, and they went out to lunch. And I wanted to say, well, I'd like to come to lunch with them. But I'm like, no, they have to have time together, just them. And they can't feel like they can't tell me or

Because lately, I've noticed with Eliza and Eleanor, Eleanor was home from college, and Eliza lives in New York City, and they went out to lunch. And I wanted to say, well, I'd like to come to lunch with them. But I'm like, no, they have to have time together, just them. And they can't feel like they can't tell me or

I will want to show up or Jamie and I will want to show up they have to have an independent relationship and I think that like you know it's like everything as you become a parent you realize wow I understand my parents choices much better and they realize they were very wise and that they really supported us having our own independent friendship just the two of us we didn't always have to be the four and of course now what we're realizing like much later is

I will want to show up or Jamie and I will want to show up they have to have an independent relationship and I think that like you know it's like everything as you become a parent you realize wow I understand my parents choices much better and they realize they were very wise and that they really supported us having our own independent friendship just the two of us we didn't always have to be the four and of course now what we're realizing like much later is

I will want to show up or Jamie and I will want to show up they have to have an independent relationship and I think that like you know it's like everything as you become a parent you realize wow I understand my parents choices much better and they realize they were very wise and that they really supported us having our own independent friendship just the two of us we didn't always have to be the four and of course now what we're realizing like much later is

Elizabeth and I have been talking about how much we really like being just the original four of us. And we're making plans to try no children, no spouses, just to be Elizabeth and me and our parents. Because there is something special about going back to that. But I think that making it easy for us to be together really, really did help that. Yeah.

Elizabeth and I have been talking about how much we really like being just the original four of us. And we're making plans to try no children, no spouses, just to be Elizabeth and me and our parents. Because there is something special about going back to that. But I think that making it easy for us to be together really, really did help that. Yeah.

Elizabeth and I have been talking about how much we really like being just the original four of us. And we're making plans to try no children, no spouses, just to be Elizabeth and me and our parents. Because there is something special about going back to that. But I think that making it easy for us to be together really, really did help that. Yeah.

Well, yeah, that was about the LU City Industries, which is a subject that continues to preoccupy me to this day. I love the LU City Industries. And it just didn't work. I don't have that novelistic skill. And Elizabeth is doing like 1,000 things. She seems to have seven full-time jobs, as far as I can tell. So we did try it, and then it just sort of drifted away.

Well, yeah, that was about the LU City Industries, which is a subject that continues to preoccupy me to this day. I love the LU City Industries. And it just didn't work. I don't have that novelistic skill. And Elizabeth is doing like 1,000 things. She seems to have seven full-time jobs, as far as I can tell. So we did try it, and then it just sort of drifted away.

Well, yeah, that was about the LU City Industries, which is a subject that continues to preoccupy me to this day. I love the LU City Industries. And it just didn't work. I don't have that novelistic skill. And Elizabeth is doing like 1,000 things. She seems to have seven full-time jobs, as far as I can tell. So we did try it, and then it just sort of drifted away.

And a part of what that was is we really did want to collaborate. And now, because of the podcast, we have that vehicle to collaborate. So I'm not sure that we will pick that up. But maybe someday, because we had fun with it. I couldn't play my role, because I just sort of don't have that novelist bent.

And a part of what that was is we really did want to collaborate. And now, because of the podcast, we have that vehicle to collaborate. So I'm not sure that we will pick that up. But maybe someday, because we had fun with it. I couldn't play my role, because I just sort of don't have that novelist bent.

And a part of what that was is we really did want to collaborate. And now, because of the podcast, we have that vehicle to collaborate. So I'm not sure that we will pick that up. But maybe someday, because we had fun with it. I couldn't play my role, because I just sort of don't have that novelist bent.

I did all the research into the El Euclidean mysteries, but because it's a mystery, there's a lot that they don't know. But I did find one of my very favorite phrases of all time, which is mystical pigs. Mystical pigs played a very important role in the El Euclidean mysteries. It feels like you need to write a novel just around that.