Gretchen Swinn

But if we go through it and win, what it will then mean is finally that new trial that we've been fighting for.

My personal reaction is that I'm both elated and saddened, if that makes any sense.

I'm very happy he's going to be alive next week for me to visit him and go over this.

But I'm sad.

He's, you know, he's almost 60 years old.

And, you know, here we are, you know, back at the beginning of another fight.

I cannot believe the outpouring of support.

I would certainly say that the national spotlight that your podcast has shown on this case is

And the independent reporting elevated this story.

You know, I'm just so profoundly grateful for that.

And I hope you'll stay with us because the fight's not over.

New Year's Eve on NBC.

My name is Andrew Goldman.

No story I've encountered in my 30 years as a journalist has gripped me by the throat, quite like the murder of Martha Moxley and conviction of Michael Skakel.

I thought I understood the case.

It was a decades-long story about the powerful and the privileged seemingly getting away with murder.

But I discovered a much darker, more shocking tale than I ever could have guessed.

He's been talked about a lot, but he's never spoken up until now.

It was like the worst nightmare ever.

Dead Certain, the Martha Moxley murder.