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Episode 377 - Mark Bonnalie
Okay, got the red smoke. North and south. West of the smoke. West of the smoke. Okay, copy. West of the smoke. I'm looking at danger close now. Come on, win it, baby. Give it to me. I need it. Get cleared hot. Copy. Cleared hot.
CreepCast
I Pretended To Be A Missing Girl | Creep Cast
Uh, whips your cock out and pisses on the keyboard I didn't hear my funny bit about whipping his dick out and pissing on his keyboard I said it to no laughs and I kind of looked like a jackass how foolish I am it was so clever too the absurdity of pissing on your own keyboard I'll do better I'll do better.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
830. Andy & DJ CTI: Trump's Official Inauguration, Georgia State Senator Assaulted And Arrested & Pope Francis Resistance To Immigration
Senator, I'm here to answer your questions. I'm not here to do your homework and study for you. If I am confirmed as Attorney General... You're the one asking for a confirmation vote, ma'am. Hey, you cut me off. Can I please finish?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
830. Andy & DJ CTI: Trump's Official Inauguration, Georgia State Senator Assaulted And Arrested & Pope Francis Resistance To Immigration
Senator, Senator, the 14th Amendment, we all know, addresses birthright citizenship. I have been a state prosecutor. I have been a state AG. I look forward to, even given your remarks today, working with you and the people of California, if I am confirmed as the 87th Attorney General of the United States of America. I didn't take your homework assignment. I'm sorry. I was preparing for today.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
No, they're going to lock up.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
Yeah. You know how I feel about this. Bring people to the office and shit goes down. I'm saying everybody's about to get mad. I'm glad I'm not on Slack because it's going to go crazy. But I think that, first of all, look, it's a new time. Toxicity is back. Yes. I feel okay saying that I think everybody should have to come into the office at least 20 hours a week. That's three days or two days.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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20 hours, three days. However you want to do it. You can still have your Thursday and Friday off. But I'm just not from the era where it was offensive to act like that. Show up to work. I laugh at you. I don't care how it comes off. I laugh at you. I'm not from the era where it was like, one time back in my day, I was on a movie set. I actually brought an air mattress to the set. Oh my God.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
Because I wanted to be there. work, then sleep there so I could be there early again. That's the toxicity I was brought up in.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Hey, how you doing? By the way, were you just talking about Melrose Place? I have some buns.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
By the way, Gen Z turns out not as well as we thought. So we can leave it. We can stop pretending now. Everybody come to work. It's a new day.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
A player of football and basketball fame is just like a ridiculous losing game for the football players.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
It's interesting talking about the celebrity because I would argue that Austin Reeves is more famous in LA than Justin Herbert is, OK? This is what I would say. Those players still exist in the league and they are the most famous guys, but they're they're less consequential in the league than they used to be. Sure.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
So they're not it means something at the top of your league to have your most famous players also be your most important players. And I would argue that Steph, LeBron, KD, all of that older guard. They're not really serious. Although you could argue this year with how the Warriors are playing. Serious threats for the NBA throne.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
You know what? Why do you do this? We beat Huff. Bill, the vindictiveness towards the Lakers. No, it's the Lakers fans.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
Don't you think you're too influential a voice to have this specific bias?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
The problem is that you're describing 40 years of the NBA, basically. Like when you're talking about those guys, you're basically going from 1979
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
I know, but think about the sample size of those guys. That means that every single generation, they've been able to find a guy or two like that. And if this is the first generation why they can't, it's probably the scope of society and culture has changed and not the actual NBA. And so when you look at social media and other things, for example, you have Zion, you have Ja, right? Like...
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Ja is an incredibly likable player with an incredible fan-friendly style. 30 years ago, him with the blick, blick, blick, blicky, like, posting it also, it's not a thing. He would post it on the blick. It's different, so maybe making stars is harder now because of the scrutiny.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
I'll just bring up something, and we're potting. Have to talk about it. We talked about Kobe and what Kobe was able to become. If Twitter's around when Kobe has the situation he has in Colorado, he doesn't survive it. I mean, his legacy, I'm telling you, it's... I think he survives it in LA. He might survive it in LA.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
But in terms of things like that, as murky or whatever you want to say that they are, things like that used to happen to athletes. There used to be narratives about athletes.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
Things used to happen and they just wouldn't stick.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
Like, we are retroactively... punishing Karl Malone. You know, things used to happen and they didn't stick. So making stars was that, right, there was less margin for error. You could do it easier. Now you got a gun, you got an adult star going at you for three weeks harassing you on Twitter. All of that stuff, it sticks to you in a little way and it changes people's perception.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
And we have to ask if all of that's like worth it.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
I think they would, but that, but that, but being interested in the story of the NBA is starting to become, because you don't have to watch the games. I think you'd want to watch that. Nah, you don't have to watch the games to be involved in that drama. You could follow that drama without watching the NBA.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
Is there anything just to ask? is there anything about specifically the quality of the play that lends itself to any of this? I've heard this.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
But doesn't, if you do that with League Pass, I've actually never heard that. It's really interesting. But if you do that with League Pass, doesn't that put the game back in sort of a regional space? Because right now, if like Charlotte will never, I want to watch LaMelo. And Charlotte's never going to be on national if I don't have league pass. And then that makes the game more regional.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
I like to watch players that are fun to watch.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
Is this like a Westbrook thing? Yeah, he loves Westbrook. No, I don't. But this is what I'll say. Bill wants to thrust this onto me, boss, but because of his Jokic thing. He's still holding on to that.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
What other winning player don't I like now? I'm just saying.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
He's fun to watch and he's unpredictable.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Shout out to LaMelo. You're getting to. He's playing better. I've enjoyed watching him. We get into a situation where the regionality of it and the sports starts to feel like baseball a little bit. Sure. But so I don't know. I think that's an interesting idea.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Either Indiana or Kentucky. Oregon, Kentucky, all of those places.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah. Or Cooper Flagg, your new obsession. All these obsessions have something in common. So, look. This is the thing. This is a boxing problem. We're big boxing fans.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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So... Boxing has insanely good stars right now. I'm talking about good in their skill. Terrence Crawford.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
Oleksandr Usyk. Tyson Fury, even though he lost to Usyk. Inua. Like, all of these different guys, right? People care for reasons that really, as fucked up as this is, they care for reasons other than how good you are. Yeah. Like, stories make people care. UFC's like this.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
Skills make champions. Stories make stars. And you have to be able to relate to a story. Now, some of these foreign guys, they have stories that are just as interesting as anyone. Really more interesting. I left war torn, whatever. Like, if you ever, like,
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Francis Ngannou, Jesus, like all of that stuff. The problem is, isn't it accessible to audiences? Even in boxing, when guys, when they don't speak English or when they can't really get over to American audiences, sometimes you have problems making stars with them.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
The only difference there is that for somebody like a Canelo Alvarez, his country backs him to such a degree that you can still make a worldwide star. Yeah. What I wonder about the NBA, you're going to have to. You're going to have to have some dude from L.A. You're going to have to have some guy from Ohio.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
We're talking video game, movie.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
But think about Floyd, though. But I'm saying. But think about Floyd, though. Floyd just went total heel. Yes. To like total heel.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
He's a good heel.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
I've never seen a player that the NBA fans that I know, the diehard NBA fans, had more invested in him being good. Like if you, there have been guys that have come into the league that it's like, hey, I like him. Hey, I don't like him. If you talk, Jacoby is fucking great. Because if you talk shit on Wimby, you get 50 different people telling you that Wimby is basketball genius and nothing to it.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
I think if Wimby lives up to the hype, he's a global superstar.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
But the thing with Iverson, Iverson is a good example.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Iverson is a good example of what we're talking about, right? In a time when the NBA was looking for the next Jordan, Iverson was able to carve out his own superstar aura by being completely antithetical to Michael Jordan.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Right? He was able to be... And now, what we have... I'm sorry, bro, but... These dudes ain't got no personality, bro. I mean, they are... Edwards does. Edwards has personality.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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He's great. But the older guys do. Steph has personality. LeBron has personality. The way we judge people and the conversations that we have around people and the way that we excoriate them for every little... The food getting a little bland. And if you want to be a superstar, you got to be spicy. There's got to be some spice to it.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
Keep doing it. I like that. Keep doing it.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
I think KD is interesting. And I think the fact that he has embraced the fact.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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100%.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Now, while we say this, once again, I want to come back to the climate, right? Because we... Part of this is because if you're James Harden and you like to go out to the strip club a little bit, that becomes your whole identity. You know what I mean? He's earned that. He's earned it. Once again, I like him. Once again, I like him. But all I'm saying is, look, the NBA is not boring.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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It's so much fun to watch. All these storylines are so much fun. But loosen up a little bit. Have fun. Play basketball. But everyone, not just the players, the fans too. I don't need 12 saints that never did anything wrong or never said anything wrong playing basketball. Your favorite players from back in the day, I'm sorry, these guys were intensely flawed. The GOAT is a legendary asshole.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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One of the other guys is a legendary whore. And one of the other guys, if you said the wrong thing to him, he'll throw your ass through a plate glass window. So these are people that play basketball. The people part makes the superstar. And so I think that turning them into robots only makes the league a little bit more.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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It's been 82 forever. At what point did it become that you would have thought, what was the point to where you felt like they needed to scale back?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Okay.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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This is dumb. I've said this to you before, bruh. I literally was driving around LA like a zombie during the pandemic. And then I heard on the radio, people were like, I've heard that there are rumblings of the NBA getting everybody back together in one city and playing all the games. And I was hope... I was like, oh my God, if I could just watch some NBA basketball.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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I was about to say Logan. It's Jake. All right, Bill. We were all right billing, man. Jake, take everything personally. You're going to find out. I'm old.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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I remember the way things used to go back in the olden days was whispers, reality, startup. That's how it was with Shaq. My uncle wrote a letter from prison to my dad. And it was like, yo, have you heard about this boy from LSU? Seven foot one, 290 pounds. Have you seen him?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Shaquille O'Neal. Whispers, boom. And with Tyson, it was this unbelievable wrecking machine. Then you see him on HBO, reality, and then stardom. And so from, I guess he came out At no point in my young life do I not remember Mike Tyson not being the baddest motherfucker around. And when you watched him, it was obvious you were watching something different.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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No, no, no, they didn't. No, it was a huge thing. It was boxing, because remember now, boxing is in an interesting place at this point. Muhammad Ali is gone in 1980, but really he's gone.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Before then, Larry Holmes comes in at the lower weights. Sugar Ray Leonard is your baby.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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And then there's an unstoppable heavyweight buzzsaw, and that becomes must-see television.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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I'm telling you, that was the biggest part of it. The biggest part of it was... You didn't, you never knew which mic you were going to get, right? No, I don't think he knew either. Right. And so, and then Mike becomes ubiquitous. He's got the, the punch out video, punch out video.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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The only, that, I remember that fight specifically.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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We had everybody over. He and my uncle, rest in peace, my uncle Ray. My uncle Ray is like, Spinks is going to make it a fight. Spinks is going to make it a fight. He's from a boxing family. The whole nine, whatever, whatever. He's going to box him. He's going to box him. He's going to move. Might hit Spinks. Spinks goes down to one knee.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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And we didn't really, that was the bit, we didn't have very much else to do. Right. We all had to just sit around and talk about how wrong Mike Tyson was.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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By that time, it was more mythology, though. Yeah. We had... And they knew it because they were picking opponents very strategically for Mike. Mike beat Bruce Seldon for a championship. Maybe Buster... No, he beat Bruno for a championship. They actually paid like $4 million of step-aside money to Lennox Lewis at one point, so they didn't have to fight him.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
So at that point, it was a little bit more... It was smoke and mirrors. It was more mythology. The...
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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At the... Yes. The mic that we knew was gone even before the Buster Douglas fight.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
Tilly Atlas and all of those other guys like leaving... But he still had it.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
Something that was always resonated with people about Mike was the real fight of Mike Tyson's life was never going to be in the ring. Because when you started learning about where he came from and what he went through, you always were wondering. It still feels like Mike Tyson won because he won the biggest championship he could have won.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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You were waiting for the... Mike Tyson has experienced intense tragedy in his life. You were waiting for the moment that it was over. And he ended up like in a really bad life altering, life changing situation.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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And he went through some of those, but him fighting was, it was a happy ending to a degree whenever you saw him in the boxing ring, because everybody sold you on just how much he had gone through. You mention certain things, Mike flies into a rage. You mention other things, Mike breaks down and cries. And so, of all the things that he's been through, and they are not woke.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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They are things that he's been through. They are not... He's a case study.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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We, this is weird territory that we're treading into, but I'll say it like this.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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He is brutally human. He's brutally human. You watch him and you're like, this is supposed to be the strongest guy in the world. He knocks people out. He bowls people over their heads. But there's an interview with him and a guy from Canada where Mike's out there to do his play and the guy brings up Mike's old case. And he cannot control himself.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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And you get the feeling of, man, I've been through that. I put that behind me. I'm trying to move on and be better. And you're throwing this back in my face. This guy is mentioning something that Mike was convicted of. He is not wrong in saying this is something from your past. But you still look at him like he's an asshole. You're like, yo, man, why are you bringing that up?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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You know what I'm saying? You still look at him like that because there's something... compelling about the amount of truth that Mike Tyson has failed into. And it'll always be that way.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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There's one more thing that might factor into it is that he's, I don't think people think this consciously. He's been punished. So he hasn't gotten away with anything per se. There's a lot of things that he probably got away with.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Right. So he went to jail. He lost a child. He lost all of his money. He lost his mentor. He lost his best friend. life has taken a lot from him. Now, he's gotten a lot, right? And he's been able to come back from all of that.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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But you've seen part of it is... And you don't want to... You don't... I'm trying to pick my words very delicately because the thing that Mike Tyson went to jail for is something that we have to root out of our community, our society, and we have to make sure that we're serious about talking about stuff like that. But there's a part of it to where it feels like... It feels like...
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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he's got a chunk out of his ass taken out of it because of it. It feels like he's gone through some really terrible, immensely gut-wrenching, horrible things. Yeah. And, look, if no one ever wants to watch or look at Mike Tyson, I get it. I get why you would feel that way. But, like, even my mother... who is... People love Mike, man.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah, even my mother is just like, she still likes to see Mike Tyson doing well.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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I think it's kind of the same thing.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Mike's crazy run is the craziest run we've seen.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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By any athlete. The only person that comes close to Kanye a couple years ago. But like maybe Charlie Sheen too.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Mike's crazy run. And then it was like, not just crazy, but it was like odd, funny. Like my back is broken spinal.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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win people over even though he knew he was the bad guy for everybody out listening right now I want you guys to you're gonna this is gonna be hilarious when you think about this think about how jumpy Bill was on the roof of the pitching oh I loved it it was amazing it was such a cool experience Bill was like Pookie nice to meet you no the thing is it was only him and like one other guy like he he didn't have the entourage anymore
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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I don't know what to think.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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So from a boxing standpoint, people like to hate on Jake. They do. I've seen Jake in the gym, like in the gym.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Out at Phil's boxing. He's certainly not bad. In terms of the guys that he fights.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Fuck no. This is a guy that actually has a right hand, like a real right hand. Like he can detonate you with a right hand. And he's a big, strong, athletic guy who's got a fair amount of ring experience now. So he's not somebody to be fucked over and played with. Any version of Mike Tyson pre-age 50 would work Jake Paul. But it's not pre-age fitting. Your stamina goes, your punch resistance goes.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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So, Jake... I don't know what's going to happen, to be honest with you. That's the thing about Mike. You don't know what's about to happen.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah. I'm watching it. Like, I thought it wasn't going to happen. I thought after it got canceled the first time that they would never come back to it. The only thing that makes me think that you could see a Tyson victory is that Mike seems genuinely motivated.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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It's like, oh, she's in space now. See? See, everybody tries to act like it's only me. Waz knows what's up. Oh, my God.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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I never went to sleep before 2 a.m. What's your big boxing fan? Jake Paul. Real boxer?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Can I tell you guys a quick story from the gym with Jake?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
Sponsored by State Farm. Like philosophy boxing, Woodland Hills, Phil Polina. Shout out to him. There was a heavyweight in the gym. Jake used to come in the gym. come in the gym with BJ and they will fight. Jake's whole team, Jake Roll, he got a whole team that comes in with him and they do their whole thing and they spar different guys.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
Pros, normally, they would spar people out of weight class though. So Jake, At that time, he wasn't as big as he is now, 175, 180. The guys he would spar would be middle. Sometimes, sometimes even Welter that he would spar with. I mean, they were bringing him along, but he was taking it serious. He was in there all the time. There was a heavyweight in there that was like, just hated Jake Paul.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
Just hated Jake Paul. Like, just did not want it. Like, I want to spar Jake. I want to spar Jake. I want to fucking fight Jake. I want to do all of this. This is the start of Creed V. Hated Jake Paul. Hated Jake Paul. They got in the ring and he was like, this was a guy I've been boxing for a long time. He got in the ring and they sparred. Jake fucked this guy up.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
When I'm telling you this, like, this is what I consider to be like a real, we haven't seen him since. Jake fucked. I'm like, you guys, I know that Van has a reputation of embellishing stories. This is weak. When I'm telling you, hurt him bad. And I was like, Oh, because I did not think that was going to go the way that it did.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
This was a guy that was his same size, had been boxing for a long time. There's literally pictures of him with gloves on when he's like 13, 14 years old. Jake beat the shit out of him. And I'm like, he's going to win some fights.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
No, who's that? Oh, shit. This is Bill's guy. He's your guy too. He is, but Bill is like obsessed with Mark McCullough. He's a gigantic guy from the continent.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
There's nothing like this guy. Deontay Wilder is... I don't want to take anything from Wilder.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
I don't want to take anything from Wilder. Wilder is a bronze medalist. In the Olympics, who became heavyweight champion with one of the most devastating right hands of all time. But like Martin Bacoli is like a... There's a big young heavyweight, Jared Anderson.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
Great young fighter. Just got demolished.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
It was one of those... You ever seen... It's not quite... It was like the Frasier Foreman. I was just about to say. That's what the fight was going to bring about. Like Frasier Foreman to where you're like... Ball Frasier just keeps falling over. Halfway into the fight, you're like, ooh. Halfway into the first round, you're like, ah. And Jared Anderson, give him credit. Like one of these guys.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
He was landing shots. That's what he was doing the whole fight. And fighting his fight. But it's not just that.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
I made a fight with him. But it wasn't with Zayn or one of those guys. He's going to kill somebody. Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
Oh, news for everyone. Kyle and I going to Frolic.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
What day is that?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
I'll just let y'all know. Y'all fuck with me with LSU. I'm not like a stable person when it comes to LSU. So y'all, you know how everybody likes to get razzed about their team and all that stuff like that? I don't like that shit. But our season is kind of fucked. We're still outside hope though. We run the table.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Part 1: An NBA Popularity Check and Tyson’s Big Comeback With Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan
And we got, there's a whole NIL battle happening right now. We're about to play probably 10 million for a quarterback.
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What did you say his name was again?
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Cut her!
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76.
The Bread Basket Podcast
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I just don't get why you're saying it that way.
The Bread Basket Podcast
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Forget it.