Gus Van Sant

That appears in Epstein's, either he's a good investor or they're just... Oh, I see, yeah.

Well, I mean, until the... He dies at the end.

Yeah, oh, the death is so interesting, too.

Yes.

How little it was investigated.

how they just were like okay he killed himself what's your judgment on that that killed himself somebody like do you think somebody did it i think somebody did it yeah yeah i mean until everything's sort of in it's hard to really make the story it's halfway i mean i from the photos i saw i'm just speaking for myself yeah i'm not exactly a boy scout but

I'm with you, yeah.

It was a sort of proposal.

But I was making that mostly because when I was starting out with Drugstore Cowboy, the actors were sort of

wanting to work with you so that meant the studios wanted you to direct something because they knew the actors would go with something that you would direct of course so i would have meetings at studios base really based because of actors not so much because drugstore cowboy did well which it didn't really do well um um

So I was always in Casey Silver's office at Universal, who had Psycho.

And every year or two, whenever a film would come out, the actors would go like, we want to work with Gus.

And so Casey would call me and say, let's get something going.

And he introduced me to people that handled the library of films.

You could make a film from...

an old script that Billy Wilder wrote that hadn't been done, you know, that kind of thing.

Or you could remake one of the library pieces.

And I was at the time in the 90s, early 90s,

were remaking everything from the brady bunch to the flintstones they were remaking because audience recognized those characters and they would be drawn to it and in those two films you know of course the kids could go too but i said you know why don't you really remake the film instead of kind of remake it changing the ending because they always change the dark ending from the old movies because the old movies had darker endings than our 90s movies

And they would just laugh and say, no, we won't be doing that anytime soon.