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Gustav Söderström

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588 total appearances

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Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

I read that book and it blew my mind. Then Beginning of Infinity is maybe his most famous book, whereas Fabric of Reality is really about quantum computing and how quantum computer works. The Beginning of Infinity is very philosophical, and he has a bunch of big ideas there. He's a very positive person. And now at 70 plus, I finally got to interview him in his garden in Oxford.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

I read that book and it blew my mind. Then Beginning of Infinity is maybe his most famous book, whereas Fabric of Reality is really about quantum computing and how quantum computer works. The Beginning of Infinity is very philosophical, and he has a bunch of big ideas there. He's a very positive person. And now at 70 plus, I finally got to interview him in his garden in Oxford.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

He's not of great health, so he had to be outdoors, you know, distanced. And everyone is very negative on the future. There's so many problems, AI could go wrong, and all things could go wrong, climate. He's actually very positive about the future. He's clear that there are risks. But he sees us going out there into the stars. I asked him, where do you think we are in a million years?

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

He's not of great health, so he had to be outdoors, you know, distanced. And everyone is very negative on the future. There's so many problems, AI could go wrong, and all things could go wrong, climate. He's actually very positive about the future. He's clear that there are risks. But he sees us going out there into the stars. I asked him, where do you think we are in a million years?

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

And he's like, well, maybe we're this far outside of the solar system, but not quite there. He's very certain we're going to get there. He's a very positive person. And when I asked him about his life, he's very content with his life. He's very happy. So he's just an inspiring person still at this age. I wish I would be like him in that age.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

And he's like, well, maybe we're this far outside of the solar system, but not quite there. He's very certain we're going to get there. He's a very positive person. And when I asked him about his life, he's very content with his life. He's very happy. So he's just an inspiring person still at this age. I wish I would be like him in that age.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

But this book has a few concepts that I've tried to apply at Spotify. And one of them is he talks about the power of explanations. And he thinks the human mind is infinitely scalable. He does not think there's a limit to what we can understand because of explanations. And I think this is something that a lot of people, I agree with that, but a lot of people disagree.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

But this book has a few concepts that I've tried to apply at Spotify. And one of them is he talks about the power of explanations. And he thinks the human mind is infinitely scalable. He does not think there's a limit to what we can understand because of explanations. And I think this is something that a lot of people, I agree with that, but a lot of people disagree.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

Certainly there are things we could never understand. His view is no. There is no limit to what we can understand. We are the only species who broke that barrier because we have explanations. Other species have pattern recognition. They can do things and learn the pattern that this works. There's some cultural transfer maybe of looking at someone else doing that pattern.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

Certainly there are things we could never understand. His view is no. There is no limit to what we can understand. We are the only species who broke that barrier because we have explanations. Other species have pattern recognition. They can do things and learn the pattern that this works. There's some cultural transfer maybe of looking at someone else doing that pattern.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

A bird can see another bird. Some species can teach their kids, but they never produce explanations. He has a definition of a good explanation. He's very inspired by Karl Popper as a philosopher. It's his house god. So he takes a bit from Popper. He takes a bit from science. So he says, obviously, that a good explanation has to be falsifiable.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

A bird can see another bird. Some species can teach their kids, but they never produce explanations. He has a definition of a good explanation. He's very inspired by Karl Popper as a philosopher. It's his house god. So he takes a bit from Popper. He takes a bit from science. So he says, obviously, that a good explanation has to be falsifiable.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

But he says a few other things that I think are obvious in retrospect, but not before. He says that a good explanation has to scale. has to have reach. What does he mean with that? He says that some explanations explain something quite locally. You can have an explanation about, for example, the Sun revolving around the Earth, which explains a bunch of stuff, but it doesn't scale to other planets.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

But he says a few other things that I think are obvious in retrospect, but not before. He says that a good explanation has to scale. has to have reach. What does he mean with that? He says that some explanations explain something quite locally. You can have an explanation about, for example, the Sun revolving around the Earth, which explains a bunch of stuff, but it doesn't scale to other planets.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

A better explanation is to have the Earth revolving around the Sun. It just scales better to different scales. So a good explanation has to scale up and down. A good explanation has to be compatible with all previous explanations, But most interestingly, he says that a good explanation has to be hard to vary. This I find very obvious, but also very non-obvious to people.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

A better explanation is to have the Earth revolving around the Sun. It just scales better to different scales. So a good explanation has to scale up and down. A good explanation has to be compatible with all previous explanations, But most interestingly, he says that a good explanation has to be hard to vary. This I find very obvious, but also very non-obvious to people.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

So what does he mean with a good explanation has to be hard to vary? He means that, for example, if your explanation for the weather on the planet is that now Thor is angry, so there's thunder there. It's an explanation, but it's too easy to vary. You can say, well, now someone else is angry. They also had a hammer. It's too easy to vary and get the same result.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

So what does he mean with a good explanation has to be hard to vary? He means that, for example, if your explanation for the weather on the planet is that now Thor is angry, so there's thunder there. It's an explanation, but it's too easy to vary. You can say, well, now someone else is angry. They also had a hammer. It's too easy to vary and get the same result.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

A good explanation, if you move one of the parameters, the entire thing is not predictive anymore. Then you're probably close to the truth. I think this is so interesting because the problem with most conspiracy theories that people love is they're so easy to vary. You can just exchange that character for some other crazy person who did something crazy and still going to produce the same thing.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

A good explanation, if you move one of the parameters, the entire thing is not predictive anymore. Then you're probably close to the truth. I think this is so interesting because the problem with most conspiracy theories that people love is they're so easy to vary. You can just exchange that character for some other crazy person who did something crazy and still going to produce the same thing.