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Guyon Espiner

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
753 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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The Agency
Treachery

And he effectively, I mean, I think he initially put up some sort of ethical or geopolitical argument.

The Agency
Treachery

But in the end, he did it for the money, right?

The Agency
Treachery

And I think he admitted as much to you, didn't he?

The Agency
Treachery

Susan Miller, the former head of CIA counterintelligence, worked on CIA's Moscow station in the 1980s.

The Agency
Treachery

Their assets, Soviets working for them inside the system, kept turning up arrested.

The Agency
Treachery

Some days she was carrying bags of gold and diamonds around.

The Agency
Treachery

But he's not telling them everything, is he?

The Agency
Treachery

So this is what we call a dangle, right?

The Agency
Treachery

Now this prologue operation is carried out directly by the Chief of Station, with the information tightly held.

The Agency
Treachery

So people like Susan were working on it, but without knowing everything about the case.

The Agency
Treachery

In fact, Prologue is all about covering up for Aldrich Ames so he can continue to work in place for the KGB.

The Agency
Treachery

And one of those names was Oleg Gorievsky.

The Agency
Treachery

And within a year, Gorieski is here in New Zealand on the first of four trips.

The Agency
Treachery

Yeah, because aims won't be busted for years.

The Agency
Treachery

And just in terms of that connection to New Zealand, it's pretty interesting here, isn't it?

The Agency
Treachery

Because while he comes here four times, he only goes to Australia twice.

The Agency
Treachery

And he says the work he did in New Zealand was, quote, particularly important because the country had been under massive propaganda and ideological attack from the KGB.

The Agency
Treachery

And he says, quote, the ruling Labour Party seemed unaware of the extent to which the fabric of their society was being damaged by subversion.

The Agency
Treachery

And what were they up to?