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Guyon Espiner

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Appearances Over Time

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The Agency
Arranging the Truth

In fact, we spoke with Ruben Azizian in Wellington as he finished up teaching New Zealand Defence Force personnel as they got ready for overseas deployments.

The Agency
Arranging the Truth

This is Skip Bennett describing his target from Soviet military intelligence, the GRU, the guy we're calling Vladimir.

The Agency
Arranging the Truth

In 1985, the British singer-songwriter Sting had a hit song called Russians.

The Agency
Arranging the Truth

You might remember it, John.

The Agency
Arranging the Truth

You might sing it, please don't.

The Agency
Arranging the Truth

Now technically, it should have probably been called Soviets, but you get the gist and I don't want to be too pedantic.

The Agency
Arranging the Truth

It revolved around the idea that Sting hopes the Russians love their children because then surely there won't be a nuclear war.

The Agency
Arranging the Truth

In overseas postings, the Soviet authorities appear to have used children as leverage to ensure loyalty, even people in trusted positions.

The Agency
Arranging the Truth

Yeah, I mean, very banal-sounding details can have an outsized importance here.

The Agency
Arranging the Truth

They could even be the difference between life and death.

The Agency
Arranging the Truth

So while he's keeping one eye on the prize, he has to be very diligent about making this deception sound like the truth.

The Agency
Arranging the Truth

At the back of Kit Bennett's mind is the constant concern that his past might come back to haunt him.

The Agency
Arranging the Truth

His involvement in the such case in Wellington in 1975 was publicised at the time, remember, against the wishes of the SIS.

The Agency
Arranging the Truth

Maybe that would be on a file somewhere.

The Agency
Arranging the Truth

Yeah, I mean, the GRU and the KGB are supposed to be on the same side, but they're also rivals and competitors, so probably not given to cross-checking every contact with someone from the West in case they give away some leverage or other.

The Agency
Arranging the Truth

So Kit Bennett keeps riding his luck, and eventually he's going to be able to fall back on something he does know, something that is going to really interest Soviet military intelligence.

The Agency
Arranging the Truth

That's right.

The Agency
Arranging the Truth

Instantaneously, really, isn't it?

The Agency
Arranging the Truth

Yeah, that's Ohakia Air Base, about, what, half an hour or so west of Palmerston North.

The Agency
Arranging the Truth

Ohakia.