Gyles Brandreth

So let's do our bit.

Let's do our best with the best of the magazine world, Graydon Carter.

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Now look, Greg, before we begin, we've just been gossiping off-camera, before we start, Rosebud itself, about President Trump.

And I seem to remember, when I first came to be aware of you, it wasn't through the Vanity Fair years, it was through a magazine called Spy.

We have occasionally had guests who have been very dour.

And Harriet, my producer, and I, we thought, oh, yeah, ours is going to go.

And then they sit down, and suddenly, they're alive.

They are.

And then the moment it's over, the moment it's over, you know, is my car here?

We were gossiping about Trump when people meet in New York.

Somehow they talk about Trump.

But you had encounters, I know this from Spy magazine, your big magazine, the one you co-founded back in the day.

We'll talk about it later.

But you had a Trump moment?

Because of the short fingers.

It became part of the presidential debates.

But it goes back to you.

My God.

You also, there was a kind of teasing thing that you did in Spa, I think, where you sent people cheques for quite small amounts of money to see who, if anybody, would cash the cheques.