Hahrie Han

So I'm not denying that by any stretch of the imagination, but it, but it leaves the most interesting questions about politics out, which are sort of like, how do those preferences get formed? I think, you know, everything that we know from like neuroscience research and stuff like that is that the preferences are formed in relationship, you know, in interaction between these two systems, um,

So I'm not denying that by any stretch of the imagination, but it, but it leaves the most interesting questions about politics out, which are sort of like, how do those preferences get formed? I think, you know, everything that we know from like neuroscience research and stuff like that is that the preferences are formed in relationship, you know, in interaction between these two systems, um,

or to individuals or whatever the kind of entities that are interacting are.

or to individuals or whatever the kind of entities that are interacting are.

Well, I guess I would start by saying, you know, I generally think about this. So to me, the first distinction I always make is the difference between sort of thinking about as a supply side versus a demand side problem, right? And so the temptation is to think about as a demand side problem. We're looking at individuals and interests and like all that kind of stuff.

Well, I guess I would start by saying, you know, I generally think about this. So to me, the first distinction I always make is the difference between sort of thinking about as a supply side versus a demand side problem, right? And so the temptation is to think about as a demand side problem. We're looking at individuals and interests and like all that kind of stuff.

And so what if we were to sort of say, you know, take seriously Madison's point, like what is government but the greatest of all reflections? of mankind. If men were angels, no government would be necessary, right?

And so what if we were to sort of say, you know, take seriously Madison's point, like what is government but the greatest of all reflections? of mankind. If men were angels, no government would be necessary, right?

Which to me is the idea that it's the kind of fundamental insight about, you know, in small d democratic theory, which is that humans aren't equipped for democracy in order to make the audacious promise at the heart of democracy is that if you put people into the right settings that generate the right kind of interactions, then their quote-unquote better angels will emerge, right?

Which to me is the idea that it's the kind of fundamental insight about, you know, in small d democratic theory, which is that humans aren't equipped for democracy in order to make the audacious promise at the heart of democracy is that if you put people into the right settings that generate the right kind of interactions, then their quote-unquote better angels will emerge, right?

And that's what we need to make democracy work, to allow for that acceptance of uncertainty that we're talking, you know, that we started off our conversation with and all those kinds of things.

And that's what we need to make democracy work, to allow for that acceptance of uncertainty that we're talking, you know, that we started off our conversation with and all those kinds of things.

And so when you sort of ask, like, what's the kind of favorite thing to me, like, I'm just most interested in, like, what are the, what's the supply of the kind of opportunities humans need to be able to develop and cultivate the kind of capabilities and experiences and skills they need to

And so when you sort of ask, like, what's the kind of favorite thing to me, like, I'm just most interested in, like, what are the, what's the supply of the kind of opportunities humans need to be able to develop and cultivate the kind of capabilities and experiences and skills they need to

to be willing to do the hard work of negotiating difference, to build coalitions, to rethink their assumptions about who other people are, whatever the things are that you might be asking them to do.

to be willing to do the hard work of negotiating difference, to build coalitions, to rethink their assumptions about who other people are, whatever the things are that you might be asking them to do.

Yes. Um, it sounds like work insofar as being a family is, is work. Right. And, um, you know, one way to think about it is democracy is the work is the, is the work of like forging a common life together. Yeah. Right. And so it is, uh, Yes, it is absolutely work to be married to my husband. It's work for us to construct a family unit that functions with our children and all those things are true.

Yes. Um, it sounds like work insofar as being a family is, is work. Right. And, um, you know, one way to think about it is democracy is the work is the, is the work of like forging a common life together. Yeah. Right. And so it is, uh, Yes, it is absolutely work to be married to my husband. It's work for us to construct a family unit that functions with our children and all those things are true.

But we also derive huge benefits from doing that. And that's what keeps us committed, you know, committed. committed to the task. And so I think this question of democracy is like, you know, the challenge is that you're doing it at scale, you know, with people with whom you don't have that same set of interpersonal commitments.

But we also derive huge benefits from doing that. And that's what keeps us committed, you know, committed. committed to the task. And so I think this question of democracy is like, you know, the challenge is that you're doing it at scale, you know, with people with whom you don't have that same set of interpersonal commitments.