Hal Pawson

Sure.

Well, I mean, just maybe just to get the terminology clear or kind of get on the same wavelength as everybody else.

When we're speaking about social housing, or at least when I'm speaking about it, I'm talking about public housing and community housing.

As to the change of government, yeah, I do think that it is significant because the federal government that we've had for the last nine years has really not been interested in social housing.

It's fair to say that delivery of social housing is a state and territory government.

It matter.

So the federal government doesn't own any or run it directly.

But federal governments have a choice as to whether they get involved in social housing at all or, you know, they do anything proactive with states and territories.

And the one we've had for the last nine years has chosen not to do that.

It's clear from the election platform that Labour came to the election with that Labour doesn't intend to follow that.

Labour does intend to get back in the game there.

And it's specifically what they're talking about is an investment programme for social and affordable housing, totalling about $10 billion over six years.

And that is supposedly going to generate 30,000 new additional social and affordable housing units over that time.

Well, I mean, there is obviously sort of some social responsibility that comes with being a landlord, whether you are a private individual or a company or indeed a not-for-profit provider.

There's a certain amount of regulation that goes around that.

But yeah, what would a private landlord, an individual, what could they do voluntarily on their part?

Yeah, you're right.

There are good landlords and bad landlords.

And the conditions in the market are providing an opportunity for landlords to raise the rent at the moment.

And indeed, many have been doing that over the last six, nine, 12 months at least.