Hal Puthoff

And so, in fact, Tom DeLonge came along and, you know, the punk rock Bleak 182. and said, you know, we should be... By the way, this is before even things came out in the New York Times in December 2017. He says, you know, I've been talking to people at some aerospace corporations, and they're saying how hard it is to get students to do their engineering and come to work for us.

And so he said, well, you know, if there's anything to, quote, the UFO area, you know, maybe it could generate some interest that way. And so... Long story short, he got Jim Simivan, now retired high-level person at CIA, got me. Keep that up, Jay. And so anyway, we started To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science.

And so he said, well, you know, if there's anything to, quote, the UFO area, you know, maybe it could generate some interest that way. And so... Long story short, he got Jim Simivan, now retired high-level person at CIA, got me. Keep that up, Jay. And so anyway, we started To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science.

And so he said, well, you know, if there's anything to, quote, the UFO area, you know, maybe it could generate some interest that way. And so... Long story short, he got Jim Simivan, now retired high-level person at CIA, got me. Keep that up, Jay. And so anyway, we started To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science.

And so we were part of what was behind helping Leslie Keen get that story out in the New York Times to break out that something was really going on behind the scenes. Back to this material. So anyway, on this material, she came up with this material. How big is this, what we're looking at? Oh, it's about this big. So four inches, something like that? Yeah, pretty big.

And so we were part of what was behind helping Leslie Keen get that story out in the New York Times to break out that something was really going on behind the scenes. Back to this material. So anyway, on this material, she came up with this material. How big is this, what we're looking at? Oh, it's about this big. So four inches, something like that? Yeah, pretty big.

And so we were part of what was behind helping Leslie Keen get that story out in the New York Times to break out that something was really going on behind the scenes. Back to this material. So anyway, on this material, she came up with this material. How big is this, what we're looking at? Oh, it's about this big. So four inches, something like that? Yeah, pretty big.

And so it's got all these layers. So on the one hand, you could say, well, this is just a guy sending in some stuff. There's no chain of custody. You don't know if he's a fraud making it up or whatever. But anyway, it turns out those are layers of titanium and bismuth. So anyway, Tom DeLonge got a hold of a copy, and so we said, okay, we're going to do everything we can to nail this down.

And so it's got all these layers. So on the one hand, you could say, well, this is just a guy sending in some stuff. There's no chain of custody. You don't know if he's a fraud making it up or whatever. But anyway, it turns out those are layers of titanium and bismuth. So anyway, Tom DeLonge got a hold of a copy, and so we said, okay, we're going to do everything we can to nail this down.

And so it's got all these layers. So on the one hand, you could say, well, this is just a guy sending in some stuff. There's no chain of custody. You don't know if he's a fraud making it up or whatever. But anyway, it turns out those are layers of titanium and bismuth. So anyway, Tom DeLonge got a hold of a copy, and so we said, okay, we're going to do everything we can to nail this down.

So we actually set up a contract with an Army office, and then they – arranged for AERO, the All Domain Anomalies Resolution Office, to consider taking this seriously. And so they arranged that this could be analyzed by Oak Ridge National Laboratory. And so we provided this to them to analyze. And what were the results? Well, the results were that

So we actually set up a contract with an Army office, and then they – arranged for AERO, the All Domain Anomalies Resolution Office, to consider taking this seriously. And so they arranged that this could be analyzed by Oak Ridge National Laboratory. And so we provided this to them to analyze. And what were the results? Well, the results were that

So we actually set up a contract with an Army office, and then they – arranged for AERO, the All Domain Anomalies Resolution Office, to consider taking this seriously. And so they arranged that this could be analyzed by Oak Ridge National Laboratory. And so we provided this to them to analyze. And what were the results? Well, the results were that

There's no obvious proof that it comes from out of our solar system because there are various isotopes that would be different if it came from some other solar system. So that would be the first thing you'd look for to say, oh, this really is ET. So that didn't wash. The second part, though, was a little more interesting, and that is these layers of magnesium and bismuth

There's no obvious proof that it comes from out of our solar system because there are various isotopes that would be different if it came from some other solar system. So that would be the first thing you'd look for to say, oh, this really is ET. So that didn't wash. The second part, though, was a little more interesting, and that is these layers of magnesium and bismuth

There's no obvious proof that it comes from out of our solar system because there are various isotopes that would be different if it came from some other solar system. So that would be the first thing you'd look for to say, oh, this really is ET. So that didn't wash. The second part, though, was a little more interesting, and that is these layers of magnesium and bismuth

I mean, those are the size of a human hair, some of those layers. And they said, well, we can't find any evidence in the history of development of materials. of materials like that, and can't even imagine why anybody want to make it. So it's just, it's an anomaly. So no proof that it's ET, but one of the things we did do, he says, okay, well, how hard is it to make something like this?

I mean, those are the size of a human hair, some of those layers. And they said, well, we can't find any evidence in the history of development of materials. of materials like that, and can't even imagine why anybody want to make it. So it's just, it's an anomaly. So no proof that it's ET, but one of the things we did do, he says, okay, well, how hard is it to make something like this?

I mean, those are the size of a human hair, some of those layers. And they said, well, we can't find any evidence in the history of development of materials. of materials like that, and can't even imagine why anybody want to make it. So it's just, it's an anomaly. So no proof that it's ET, but one of the things we did do, he says, okay, well, how hard is it to make something like this?

And so we got an aerospace corporation to say, can you bond bismuth and magnesium together, you know, sort of like what we see in this sample? Well, they got two layers bonded, cost them over a million dollars, broke down their instruments to do it. So it's still basically a mystery. So we got to read the report. It was not totally provided to the public. So is this about a quarter inch thick?