Hallie Rubenhold

However, in this case, all the lawyers who were involved in the case, you had Inspector Dew, you had members of the press, all sorts of people, even performers writing their memoirs and writing about their interactions with Crippen, what they thought of him, how they judged him, what the experience was like being involved in the trial, what the experience was like of the manhunt, all of these things.

So, you know, this is all very much told from a male perspective.

But that's very, very unique to this particular case.

I think there seems to be enough distance between ourselves in the past.

It's something that we do as human beings.

You know, we tend to kind of disassociate from things that we can't immediately relate to.

It feels distant and therefore we perhaps have less empathy, less ability to connect.

I think if we pause and really think about it, then that changes.

When we're dealing with historical murder, I think that's a really important thing to do because...

These people are still people.

And, you know, how we respond to death and tragedy and stories of death and tragedy really says something about us as human beings.

No.

No.

Absolutely not.

No, I wouldn't get very far because I'm married to a King's Council criminal lawyer and he would sniff me out instantly.

No, no, he's far too principled.

Not in criminal law.

Well, these women are generally described collectively as the five canonical victims of Jack the Ripper.

Well, their stories have been really kind of consumed in the greater mythology of who Jack the Ripper was and this kind of obsession that our culture has

has has uh latched onto of of pursuing this 130 year old mystery i mean it has been pursued really since these women were killed but it's taken on various forms and the women in their lives and their importance in the story have always just been incidental and uh and and you know in modern days just completely almost dropped out of the story entirely so that what they become