Hannah Ferguson

Is that what it's called?

I've obviously never read it.

I think it is.

Yeah, it is.

I remember learning about it at school.

Okay.

Step two, how to instill control of your followers through fear.

In the 1960s, Hubbard developed security checking, a type of interrogation of Scientology members.

Followers would be hooked up to the e-meter and asked a series of questions that aimed to elicit confessions.

The conversation would cover their sexual activity, drug use, negative thoughts around Hubbard, potential homosexuality, and any negative deeds done in their past lives.

The goal was to preemptively work out who may betray or leave Scientology and also to help encourage complete control over all of his followers because anything discovered in these security checks could be used as blackmail if you were to try and then leave.

It's like, hey, come to a therapy session.

I'm going to force you to say all of your deepest, darkest fears and all the terrible things that you could have possibly have done or thought to have done.

Riddle you with guilt, tell you that I'm the answer, and then if you ever try and say anything about it, I'll go tell everyone.

I think guilt is one of the most powerful tools.

Oh, guilt and shame.

Oh, of course.

I've heard this.

It's actually a really fascinating part of that as well is they obviously hated psychologists.

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