Hannah Fry

She said to our mutual friend, I don't know why Dolly is so fucked up about men.

Her dad's so nice.

Because that's him.

Whenever she sees my dad, they both love cricket.

They're rich.

He's really polite.

He welcomes her in, gets her a drink.

They stand and they talk about the ashes.

She's just like, what did this guy ever do to make you go through all these horrendous blokes?

But you know what?

It still happens.

I think the Judy Monica relationship is one of the most complicated.

Yeah.

Even though this kind of wall of love and loyalty, you know, would have come from the Gellers to their kids.

You know that those parents would have gone to every play and every match.

And yet you see...

with Judy, with how she interacts with Monica, that there is something of Judy's relationship to herself or to her own younger self or how she speaks about herself that somehow, even with all the will and love in the world, does cloud her relationship and interactions with Monica with a level of toxicity.

And I know so many women who have that relationship with their love where it's like,

it's so loving and it's so reliable that it is, it's hypercritical.

Or it's, you know, the issues that their mum had with their own mother, it's then replicated again with the, you know, like particularly with all the weight stuff.