Hannah Rosen

And you just have to be maybe aware that that's the age we live in. Right. Second question I have is I read your various articles you've written about oblivion and it almost scared me reading them only because we live. This is the first era that I've lived through as an adult where I've watched the revising of history happen in real time.

Like, I don't recall a president talking about facts the opposite of what I saw with my own eyes. It's a very bad feeling. So in that context, I feel nervous about even entering into a conversation about oblivion, memory games, or anything like that. And I wonder how you've squared that.

Like, I don't recall a president talking about facts the opposite of what I saw with my own eyes. It's a very bad feeling. So in that context, I feel nervous about even entering into a conversation about oblivion, memory games, or anything like that. And I wonder how you've squared that.

Like, I don't recall a president talking about facts the opposite of what I saw with my own eyes. It's a very bad feeling. So in that context, I feel nervous about even entering into a conversation about oblivion, memory games, or anything like that. And I wonder how you've squared that.

So it was essentially an act of mercy saying the royalists are going to live among us. They're not going back. Mm-hmm. And what? How did it define them?

So it was essentially an act of mercy saying the royalists are going to live among us. They're not going back. Mm-hmm. And what? How did it define them?

So it was essentially an act of mercy saying the royalists are going to live among us. They're not going back. Mm-hmm. And what? How did it define them?

So you could imagine that kind of thing would be controversial at first, like people would want vengeance. And so in the immediate, it would be difficult to swallow. But then in the long term, it would put things to rest. That's the idea.

So you could imagine that kind of thing would be controversial at first, like people would want vengeance. And so in the immediate, it would be difficult to swallow. But then in the long term, it would put things to rest. That's the idea.

So you could imagine that kind of thing would be controversial at first, like people would want vengeance. And so in the immediate, it would be difficult to swallow. But then in the long term, it would put things to rest. That's the idea.

Okay. So let's move to the current movement. If you were King Linda, so is what you would want an act of oblivion around January 6th?

Okay. So let's move to the current movement. If you were King Linda, so is what you would want an act of oblivion around January 6th?

Okay. So let's move to the current movement. If you were King Linda, so is what you would want an act of oblivion around January 6th?

Okay, so you're not going all the way to saying, you know, an act of oblivion. But you've started to eke at little things. Like, what do you mean by Biden could have? I mean, we're in the very, very last days of the Biden administration. But if he had pardoned some of the low-level offenders, would that have been... Like in the spirit of oblivion? Yeah.

Okay, so you're not going all the way to saying, you know, an act of oblivion. But you've started to eke at little things. Like, what do you mean by Biden could have? I mean, we're in the very, very last days of the Biden administration. But if he had pardoned some of the low-level offenders, would that have been... Like in the spirit of oblivion? Yeah.

Okay, so you're not going all the way to saying, you know, an act of oblivion. But you've started to eke at little things. Like, what do you mean by Biden could have? I mean, we're in the very, very last days of the Biden administration. But if he had pardoned some of the low-level offenders, would that have been... Like in the spirit of oblivion? Yeah.

I see. So there is a potential... That even though we're not figuring them out now, they'll be figured out in a sideways way through questions down the road. Like questions about how we will ultimately remember that day. Not necessarily how we'll remember it in this charged political moment, but like how we'll remember it 10, 20 years from now.

I see. So there is a potential... That even though we're not figuring them out now, they'll be figured out in a sideways way through questions down the road. Like questions about how we will ultimately remember that day. Not necessarily how we'll remember it in this charged political moment, but like how we'll remember it 10, 20 years from now.

I see. So there is a potential... That even though we're not figuring them out now, they'll be figured out in a sideways way through questions down the road. Like questions about how we will ultimately remember that day. Not necessarily how we'll remember it in this charged political moment, but like how we'll remember it 10, 20 years from now.

This episode of Radio Atlantic was produced by Janae West and edited by Claudina Bade. It was engineered by Rob Smirsiak and fact-checked by Sarah Kralewski. Claudina Bade is the executive producer of Atlantic Audio, and Andrea Valdez is our managing editor. I'm Hannah Rosen. Thank you for listening.