Hannah Rosen

Claudina Bade is the executive producer of Atlantic Audio, and Andrea Valdez is our managing editor. I'm Hannah Rosen. Thank you for listening, have a wonderful holiday, and enjoy a good book, no matter what age you are.

Claudina Bade is the executive producer of Atlantic Audio, and Andrea Valdez is our managing editor. I'm Hannah Rosen. Thank you for listening, have a wonderful holiday, and enjoy a good book, no matter what age you are.

For all the parents listening, I bet you remember this moment. You have this tiny new creature in your life. You feel vulnerable. The new baby seems extra vulnerable. And one of the first things you have to do to this tiny creature is let the doctor inject into her small amounts of disease.

For all the parents listening, I bet you remember this moment. You have this tiny new creature in your life. You feel vulnerable. The new baby seems extra vulnerable. And one of the first things you have to do to this tiny creature is let the doctor inject into her small amounts of disease.

For all the parents listening, I bet you remember this moment. You have this tiny new creature in your life. You feel vulnerable. The new baby seems extra vulnerable. And one of the first things you have to do to this tiny creature is let the doctor inject into her small amounts of disease.

But you almost certainly have to do it for a kid to go to school, which makes vaccines a very real way that people feel the presence of the state in their lives. And so vaccines turn out to be a very excellent way to examine this moment we've landed in, where people who deeply mistrust the government are suddenly in charge of critical parts of it. I'm Hannah Rosen. This is Radio Atlantic.

But you almost certainly have to do it for a kid to go to school, which makes vaccines a very real way that people feel the presence of the state in their lives. And so vaccines turn out to be a very excellent way to examine this moment we've landed in, where people who deeply mistrust the government are suddenly in charge of critical parts of it. I'm Hannah Rosen. This is Radio Atlantic.

But you almost certainly have to do it for a kid to go to school, which makes vaccines a very real way that people feel the presence of the state in their lives. And so vaccines turn out to be a very excellent way to examine this moment we've landed in, where people who deeply mistrust the government are suddenly in charge of critical parts of it. I'm Hannah Rosen. This is Radio Atlantic.

And today, we're going to talk about vaccines — more specifically, the anti-vaxxers who Trump has nominated to run our health institutions and how they might change our world. One critical dividing line between the two parties right now — maybe the critical dividing line — is trust in expertise, in authority, in institutions.

And today, we're going to talk about vaccines — more specifically, the anti-vaxxers who Trump has nominated to run our health institutions and how they might change our world. One critical dividing line between the two parties right now — maybe the critical dividing line — is trust in expertise, in authority, in institutions.

And today, we're going to talk about vaccines — more specifically, the anti-vaxxers who Trump has nominated to run our health institutions and how they might change our world. One critical dividing line between the two parties right now — maybe the critical dividing line — is trust in expertise, in authority, in institutions.

And this showdown, which in the coming administration will play out over lots of arenas — the military, education, intelligence — it's been brewing in the vaccine world for years, maybe centuries. Let's start in the modern world with Trump's nominees, who they are, what they believe, and what they might do. To help me with that, we have Atlantic science writer and editor Daniel Engber.

And this showdown, which in the coming administration will play out over lots of arenas — the military, education, intelligence — it's been brewing in the vaccine world for years, maybe centuries. Let's start in the modern world with Trump's nominees, who they are, what they believe, and what they might do. To help me with that, we have Atlantic science writer and editor Daniel Engber.

And this showdown, which in the coming administration will play out over lots of arenas — the military, education, intelligence — it's been brewing in the vaccine world for years, maybe centuries. Let's start in the modern world with Trump's nominees, who they are, what they believe, and what they might do. To help me with that, we have Atlantic science writer and editor Daniel Engber.

Dan, welcome to the show.

Dan, welcome to the show.

Dan, welcome to the show.

So when Trump announced RFK as his pick to be the next Secretary of Health and Human Services, what was your reaction?

So when Trump announced RFK as his pick to be the next Secretary of Health and Human Services, what was your reaction?

So when Trump announced RFK as his pick to be the next Secretary of Health and Human Services, what was your reaction?