Hannah Rosen

Yeah. And just to be clear, no one said they were going to do that. You're just giving them free advice here.

Yeah. And just to be clear, no one said they were going to do that. You're just giving them free advice here.

Well, we'll stay on top of this subject since we've never seen a thing like this before. Dan, thank you so much for joining me.

Well, we'll stay on top of this subject since we've never seen a thing like this before. Dan, thank you so much for joining me.

Well, we'll stay on top of this subject since we've never seen a thing like this before. Dan, thank you so much for joining me.

Next, how we got to this moment of mistrust and the winding path of vaccine acceptance in the U.S.,

Next, how we got to this moment of mistrust and the winding path of vaccine acceptance in the U.S.,

Next, how we got to this moment of mistrust and the winding path of vaccine acceptance in the U.S.,

That's after the break.

That's after the break.

That's after the break.

We're back from break. I'm joined by health journalist Arthur Allen, who wrote the book Vaccine. Arthur, welcome to the show.

We're back from break. I'm joined by health journalist Arthur Allen, who wrote the book Vaccine. Arthur, welcome to the show.

We're back from break. I'm joined by health journalist Arthur Allen, who wrote the book Vaccine. Arthur, welcome to the show.

So we are about to see vaccine skeptics have power in a way they never have before, which must be strange for you, who's been tracking them for a long time, to see people who are mistrustful of big government suddenly running the government. I mean, it's a very weird moment.

So we are about to see vaccine skeptics have power in a way they never have before, which must be strange for you, who's been tracking them for a long time, to see people who are mistrustful of big government suddenly running the government. I mean, it's a very weird moment.

So we are about to see vaccine skeptics have power in a way they never have before, which must be strange for you, who's been tracking them for a long time, to see people who are mistrustful of big government suddenly running the government. I mean, it's a very weird moment.

I know. It's so strange. So let's reel back, since you're a rare person who knows this movement really well. What are the roots of the skepticism? Like, where does it start?

I know. It's so strange. So let's reel back, since you're a rare person who knows this movement really well. What are the roots of the skepticism? Like, where does it start?

I know. It's so strange. So let's reel back, since you're a rare person who knows this movement really well. What are the roots of the skepticism? Like, where does it start?