Hannah Rosen

And should all those people really have canceled their subscriptions?

That's in a minute.

In retrospect, now that I hear you talk and see how important that moment was when hundreds of thousands of people canceled their subscription,

It was an act of protest.

But now I feel like were they protesting against the right thing and for the right place?

It's like shooting yourself in your civic participation foot.

It just doesn't seem like they were aiming at the right target there.

And do you think that's a reasonable expectation you're making of Jeff Bezos?

Like, he's a businessman.

And so why should we expect him to behave differently than the many negligent owners of many newspapers who I'm sure you've tracked over the last decade plus?

So it seems like the Post was struggling when Bezos bought it.

And the layoffs seem to indicate that it's struggling now.

But it did seem to be doing well at one point in his tenure.

So what made that possible?

And then what changed?

I mean, one question is, do you get the sense that the tech crowd thinks that journalism done by humans just doesn't matter that much?

Like it's the opposite of our future.

I mean, let me just try this on you.

Like, is there some alternate way that you can imagine holding government accountable?

I guess I'm asking, is journalism irrelevant?