Hannah Rosen

Okay, so Jocelyn, surgeons, police officers, firefighters, all these are also people responsible for the safety and well-being of hundreds of people. But they could each theoretically just visit a therapist and keep it to themselves.

Okay, so Jocelyn, surgeons, police officers, firefighters, all these are also people responsible for the safety and well-being of hundreds of people. But they could each theoretically just visit a therapist and keep it to themselves.

Which totally makes sense that they want that. Like, you should be in a healthy state of mind if you're flying a plane. I guess my question is, is this invasive amount of scrutiny from your employer or your boss encouraging a healthy state of mind, or is it encouraging you to pretend that you have a healthy state of mind?

Which totally makes sense that they want that. Like, you should be in a healthy state of mind if you're flying a plane. I guess my question is, is this invasive amount of scrutiny from your employer or your boss encouraging a healthy state of mind, or is it encouraging you to pretend that you have a healthy state of mind?

Which totally makes sense that they want that. Like, you should be in a healthy state of mind if you're flying a plane. I guess my question is, is this invasive amount of scrutiny from your employer or your boss encouraging a healthy state of mind, or is it encouraging you to pretend that you have a healthy state of mind?

Those are two scary, terrible situations. Do we have any idea if they're outliers? Like, how many pilots are not getting care when they need it?

Those are two scary, terrible situations. Do we have any idea if they're outliers? Like, how many pilots are not getting care when they need it?

Those are two scary, terrible situations. Do we have any idea if they're outliers? Like, how many pilots are not getting care when they need it?

So that's over half of pilots avoiding care, which is a lot. I mean, that suggests there's a huge resistance to getting care, which means that Finlayson, who's the guy we were talking about, he's unusual for going through the whole process and seeking care.

So that's over half of pilots avoiding care, which is a lot. I mean, that suggests there's a huge resistance to getting care, which means that Finlayson, who's the guy we were talking about, he's unusual for going through the whole process and seeking care.

So that's over half of pilots avoiding care, which is a lot. I mean, that suggests there's a huge resistance to getting care, which means that Finlayson, who's the guy we were talking about, he's unusual for going through the whole process and seeking care.

I have to say, that seems amazing to me, that to go on 10 milligrams or even up to 20, which seems reasonable, that taking that amount of medication long term could cost you years of flying. It just seems like when pilots do decide to pursue mental health care like Finlayson did, they are up against a lot.

I have to say, that seems amazing to me, that to go on 10 milligrams or even up to 20, which seems reasonable, that taking that amount of medication long term could cost you years of flying. It just seems like when pilots do decide to pursue mental health care like Finlayson did, they are up against a lot.

I have to say, that seems amazing to me, that to go on 10 milligrams or even up to 20, which seems reasonable, that taking that amount of medication long term could cost you years of flying. It just seems like when pilots do decide to pursue mental health care like Finlayson did, they are up against a lot.

After the break, we try and get to the heart of it. Is this system actually keeping passengers safe?

After the break, we try and get to the heart of it. Is this system actually keeping passengers safe?

After the break, we try and get to the heart of it. Is this system actually keeping passengers safe?

Jocelyn, let's say we make the assumption that pilots have more or less the same level of depression and anxiety as the average population. So that would be like a quarter of all adults in the U.S. From what you can tell, are a quarter of all pilots seeking mental health care, like applying for those special medical certificates?

Jocelyn, let's say we make the assumption that pilots have more or less the same level of depression and anxiety as the average population. So that would be like a quarter of all adults in the U.S. From what you can tell, are a quarter of all pilots seeking mental health care, like applying for those special medical certificates?

Jocelyn, let's say we make the assumption that pilots have more or less the same level of depression and anxiety as the average population. So that would be like a quarter of all adults in the U.S. From what you can tell, are a quarter of all pilots seeking mental health care, like applying for those special medical certificates?