Hannah Rosen

Back in October, as Illinois leaders pushed back on the immigration deployment in their state, Trump's deputy chief of staff, Stephen Miller, had this message on Fox News.

Miller's message that you can operate with impunity, even against Americans, suggests that maybe the role of ICE is evolving.

Could Homeland Security be turning into an openly political entity that welcomes clashes with American citizens?

We'll talk about that in the second half of the show.

But first, there is another important authority in the mix, the state of Minnesota, which seems not to be falling in line with the administration's program.

This week, six federal prosecutors in Minnesota reportedly resigned because the Justice Department pushed to investigate Good's widow, but not the ICE agent who shot Good.

That is Brenna Goddard, an attorney with the State Democracy Research Initiative at the University of Wisconsin Law School.

Goddard studies the power that states have to hold federal officers like ICE agent Ross accountable.

I started by asking her about Stephen Miller's claim that they were immune.

Is that a real thing?

Like, do federal officers have this kind of immunity that he's describing?

If Minnesota decides they want to charge this specific shooter with a crime and the federal government has already decided he didn't do anything wrong, what happens?

How does that unfold?

So this is a gray area.

It's like there's a lot of details to be hashed out in a situation like this.

Right.

And is it the kind of thing that would get adjudicated for years?

Or is it fairly clear, you know, they put out a warrant for the shooter's arrest?

Like, how does it unfold in general?

Right.