Hannah Rosen

We are stuck in a permanent cycle of charismatic politicians who portray themselves as being different from other politicians and against the system and win over a certain number of people and then betray them.

That's our future.

That's right.

By the way, did you talk to any of these guys?

So I know some of these guys are specifically angry about Israel's role in all of this and Israel potentially coercing Trump into this war.

Sometimes this tips into anti-Semitism.

How does that fit into the broader anger of the atmosphere over the war?

Okay.

We are in the middle of what seems to be an incredibly unpopular war.

What's your sense of how big an issue this becomes?

Oh, really?

So there's you don't think there's anything he could do that would win them back?

Well, Elaine, thank you so much for spending a lot of time listening to Manosphere podcasts and sharing with us.

It was fun.

Thank you so much, Hannah.

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