Harley Finkelstein

It's at the finish line.

You're like, wow, that was fun.

That tends to be the developmental journey of Shopify.

I'm paying you to catch the ball.

And it's stuck with me ever since then.

That's right.

It is... I think when you're playing at a certain level of play, whether it's through podcasts or through business or through sport or art, music, if you try to... If you want to be above average...

Most people can get there, practice, determination.

But this idea of thinking about things in sort of this like local maximum versus global maximum perspective creates a whole other surface area of which you can go and do crazy and cool stuff.

I do think that is difficult to do by yourself.

I think you actually are one of the unique situations where you hold yourself to such a high standard that you actually don't need anyone pulling you to get better at your craft because you hold yourself to this ridiculous standard.

Most people are not like that.

Most people need someone else to help them pull up to the next level.

And if you find someone like that and you sort of mutually commit to one another, I mean, that's real partnership.

That's how you build a $100 billion company, I think.

That's right.

And then you sort of, you know, it is ironic, though, and almost paradoxical that, you know, the people that you often hang out with in high school or school in general tend to be very much like you.

And what I've actually experienced is that actually the best partnerships, at least from a business perspective, are people that are totally not like you.

Totally.

I'm not sure Toby and I would have been friends in high school.