Harley Finkelstein

That's right.

And then you sort of, you know, it is ironic, though, and almost paradoxical that, you know, the people that you often hang out with in high school or school in general tend to be very much like you.

And what I've actually experienced is that actually the best partnerships, at least from a business perspective, are people that are totally not like you.

Totally.

I'm not sure Toby and I would have been friends in high school.

I was class president.

He was like taking apart computers in his bedroom.

The people you tend to spend more time with that you gravitate to, you tend to have similar interests with.

You tend to have similar skill sets with.

You're both into basketball.

You're both into debate club or whatever it might be.

But actually, if you're in high school right now and you're watching this and you want to start a company, my advice would be if you're in like drama club, go find someone like in the AV club and then go find someone in like the computer, like the coding club and go find someone like who's painting.

And those should be your co-founders because each of you now can bring different skill sets to the table and together you can build something remarkable.

At a 7,000 or 8,000 person company, like a small number of people sell a lot of people.

But yeah, that was, okay, so a couple things on that and a couple different sort of levels of abstraction, I guess.

I do believe that there are different phases of companies.

And I think at the early phase of companies, it's just mayhem.

Like, everybody do everything.

It's like Swiss Army Knife time.

And in those early days of Shopify, there's a photo that every couple years I put out on social media of me, like, mopping the floors.