Harrison Gardner

There's, you know, there's obviously all these schools of thought about do we actually have any self-control?

Do we have any autonomy to make decisions?

Or is everything predetermined?

Is everything predetermined by the decision, by our context and by our experiences?

was that, was that there from day one?

Yeah, there's so many other forms of security beyond wealth, right?

Well, that's the next thing I was going to ask is from someone who, by your trajectory so far, very much had your hands in nature, whether it was the ocean or the ground or the soil or whatever, to the work you're doing now.

And I want to keep coming back to this hugely ambitious goal that you have.

What was the...

What's the driver?

Like, obviously, your natural instinct is hands in the ground.

But you must see that there is a greater need than just doing that.

Well, I guess I am curious how the Surfer Sailor farmer goes about raising 300 million euros.

That's a very different set of skills.

And how did you...

How are you doing it?

How have you done?

You've already done something really impressive.

I keep talking about what's coming, but you've already raised huge amounts of money and converted a lot of land into trees.

And what I really want to explore is...