Hartley Jafine

in an extreme version in this manufactured environment.

I do think you might be hyping this up a little too much as saying that survivors are a window into our soul.

But you know what?

I'm going to give those seasons you mentioned a watch and maybe I'll come to agree with you.

Hartley Jaffein is a health sciences professor at McMaster University.

Hartley, I've enjoyed this chat.

Thank you so much for being on the show.

Thank you again for having me, David.