Hartley Jafine

And that's what happens on the show.

And when we sat down and put together some ideas in terms of disciplines, conversations, we actually looked at the course outline and thought, this...

Pretty decent.

This could be a course.

There's a lot of academic disciplines and a lot of literature that we could use to explore through the lens of Survivor.

Pitch it to our Dean, who luckily said yes.

She was not, but she was a very, she's a very innovative educator.

Her name's Stacey Ritt.

She was brilliant and started thinking about, okay, this could be a really cool way to talk about really complex concepts through a really fun educational medium.

The way the show has evolved, we talk about that in the class, Survivor really is a microcosm, a reflection of cultural, social, and political conversation.

Some of the things that were happening in 2000 would never happen in 2026.

The conversation on the show is really adaptive and reflective of the conversation that we're having socially, politically, culturally in our lives.

And so...

what we see on the show, both in terms of the conversation culturally and also the gameplay.

The gameplay in season one, two, and three looks very different from the gameplay of 2026.

I think so.

People are much better prepared at playing the game because now they're casting people who have seen the game.

There was a time period where they were casting actors and models and players who they saw at bars and thought, you could be an entertaining character on Survivor, where now they're casting players who actually have an understanding of the game.

That doesn't mean they always play the game well, but everyone who's coming into the game presently, for the most part, have a clear...

Two things.