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Hayden Field

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Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

said to reporters, I've just never seen him so stressed when he was talking about this, about how the compute constraints were stopping them from scaling appropriately and how they couldn't really deliver what clients wanted unless they just could somehow get their hands on more compute.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

I've never seen him more stressed out.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

And so, yeah, that's playing out now months later.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

Sora took up a bunch of compute and there wasn't really a big return there.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

And so they abruptly decided to cancel it, apparently 30 minutes after working with Disney on a related project, and then just suddenly pulled the plug with no notice.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

So, you know, things over there, it seemed like are in kind of a tailspin.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

It's like, if you're pulling the plug on a project with a huge company like Disney, 30 minutes after talking to them about like how it was going great,

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

There's some real issues there.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

So in the numbers that leaked from investors in OpenAI and Anthropic this week, you know, there are a ton of crazy charts showing just how much of their money and profit is going or lack of profit is going towards inference, training.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

The way they break out these categories is just really interesting.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

It's not always apples to apples, but it's like Anthropic is going to spend one third to one quarter on model training and

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

compared to OpenAI.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

But OpenAI's revenue is expected to hit like $275 billion in 2030.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

But Anthropic says its revenue will hit $150 billion in 2029.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

So it's kind of like Anthropic seems to be spending a lot less on the same categories as OpenAI and growing slower.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

But OpenAI is spending a ton and then just hoping that's going to lead to a return on investment, which kind of tracks with the way that companies have been operating for the past couple of years.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

Yeah, but Anthropic isn't worried enough that it'll stop because they just took out their frontier safety pledge and said, oh, actually, we're going to stay competitive even if we think it's a little dangerous.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

Sorry.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

So when I talked to an economist about this this morning, he said that agents have just changed everything.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI industry's existential race for profits

And I talked to another couple of tech leaders about this, and they said agents are consuming hundreds of thousands more tokens than basic chat models have been.