Heather Ann Thompson

I'm looking at, I'm in the Reagan library trying to figure out what was Reagan doing.

So I'm always, that's my approach to writing books.

And that's, you know, why they're kind of steeped in what was actually happening in the moment.

But I actually was considering talking to him.

And I was considering talking to the victims.

And when I realized I couldn't talk to the kids that he had shot, I'm like, you know what?

I'm going to not talk to him because I realized he'd been talking all along.

He still is getting interviewed about this.

And I wanted to step back and say, don't tell me now in retrospect what you did or justify what you did.

Let me just go back to the beginning and piece it all back together again.

What really happened on December 22nd, 1984?

And what really happened in the trials that followed?

And it's a pretty interesting story, I think.

Oh, it's so crazy.

The story is so crazy.

When Reagan is on his ascendancy, essentially, Murdoch is not in the United States, but quickly is realizing the importance of media to the creation of a new conservative political order.

In the United States, in England, with Chet Patcherism,

This is a goal for a lot of folks.

He's one of them.

And he decides he's coming to the United States with one goal, which is to dominate the U.S.