Heather Cox Richardson

But when we think about our heroes that we look to in our country,

We don't look to the neo-Nazis.

We don't look to the Confederates.

You know, we look to Fannie Lou Hamer and the people that really have shown to expand the principles of the Declaration of Independence to include more people with every iteration.

So what I would love to see is, first of all, the embracing of those liberal principles.

But also one of the other patterns we have in the United States that kind of makes historians bonkers is that, you know, I assume I can say the shit hits the fan on this podcast, you know.

We turn everything over to the rich guys.

The shit hits the fan.

Everybody steps up and says, oh, gee, we really need some regulation.

We put the regulations around it.

Everything stabilizes.

And then somebody goes, I'm not making enough money.

And so all of a sudden, we turn it back over to the rich guys.

The shit hits the fan.

And

And, you know, our example of that in American history is the cattle industry, believe it or not, which, you know, is this boom and bust industry.

And every time things go really bad, the cattle ranchers say, hey, you know, we really need some regulation over here.

And the federal government steps in and then everything stabilizes and they go, hey, I'm, you know, Clive and Bundy, get out of my life.

Right.

So if we could figure out how to stop that.