Heather Cox Richardson

Oh, I think it's got to be big.

And I certainly would agree with Overturning Citizens United and all the pieces that you are talking about.

But those are only...

mechanics for a reworking of a government and a country really that has been dramatically degraded since the 1970s, in part because of that myth that the radical right promulgated that you and I talked about before.

You look at where the United States of America is in the 21st century compared to other countries, and it's frankly embarrassing, a number of the ways in which we are not keeping pace with the rest of the world.

In this era, one of the things that you and I are dancing around in the need to deal with our political system is the fact that climate change is very real and simply must be addressed.

Well, which is, again, another question.

Why is Trump deliberately and desperately trying to get us back to 19th century technology?

I mean, which is – that's a whole other conversation.

Right.

But –

This is not... I guess if you think of it in terms of health and the health of the body politic, we have let a disease run rampant for a long time, and it's coming very close to killing us.

And you can't just say, okay, okay, I really am now going to maybe clean out the wound.

At this point, we have to rethink the way democracy interfaces with a global economy, a global world, and that where everybody has instantaneous ability to communicate with each other and to support each other or tear each other down.

What that looks like, I don't know.

I know I'm watching Mark Carney very closely in Canada because I think he's coming up with a lot of new ideas.

But

This is not going to be a case of saying, hey, maybe we can pick up a few voters over here.

This is a case of saying we need to rethink this.

And, you know, in the past, again, you look at Lincoln, you look at FDR, you look at Theodore Roosevelt.