Heather Cox Richardson

It's really striking when you watch it, which, you know, people have said that, and I was like, yeah, whatever.

I read people mostly rather than watching them, but it was really striking.

You know, I'm not going to disagree with you, but I'm going to come back to who knows.

And we can't untangle that skein of barbed wire.

So the other question, though, is can you switch this essentially cult-like behavior from...

being anti-American intervention to pro-American intervention.

And that really comes down, I think, to the way that you see the world.

And you and I are engaged in the enterprise of trying to make sure people have accurate information.

Because unless you have accurate information, you cannot make good decisions about your life.

I find it fascinating that the American radical right, because that's what they are, consistently simply lie to their viewers.

I find it interesting that people are willing to be lied to.

That itself, I think, is an investigation of human nature.

But in the larger societal sense...

When I look at the place that you change the American story, it is always in the people like you and me, but many of us who are trying to hold on to the truth, trying to make sure that people see the truth.

Because the whole premise of American democracy is that if people do have access to good information, most of them will make good decisions, never all of them.

Mm-hmm.

most of them will make good decisions.

That's why we have a postal service.

That's why that's in the Constitution is because people were supposed to have access to newspapers and to speeches from their Congress critters so they would be able to understand what was happening in the government.

You know, I look around us now and I look at, yes, people fall for this.