Heather Cox Richardson

and to cross-pollinate them all and create our own reality-based media. I think we've got really smart people. I think they're doing incredibly good stuff. I think it's not clear yet that we have built our own media ecosystem in a way that the far right did.

and to cross-pollinate them all and create our own reality-based media. I think we've got really smart people. I think they're doing incredibly good stuff. I think it's not clear yet that we have built our own media ecosystem in a way that the far right did.

and to cross-pollinate them all and create our own reality-based media. I think we've got really smart people. I think they're doing incredibly good stuff. I think it's not clear yet that we have built our own media ecosystem in a way that the far right did.

Yeah, we should talk a little bit about that. I do think one of the things that I didn't throw into that mix I just described is the degree to which there is huge money to be made on the right by lying people. And Charlie Kirk came out of nowhere in 2016, fall of 2016, with a really hastily made and not just a crappy website that got attention by calling people like me.

Yeah, we should talk a little bit about that. I do think one of the things that I didn't throw into that mix I just described is the degree to which there is huge money to be made on the right by lying people. And Charlie Kirk came out of nowhere in 2016, fall of 2016, with a really hastily made and not just a crappy website that got attention by calling people like me.

Yeah, we should talk a little bit about that. I do think one of the things that I didn't throw into that mix I just described is the degree to which there is huge money to be made on the right by lying people. And Charlie Kirk came out of nowhere in 2016, fall of 2016, with a really hastily made and not just a crappy website that got attention by calling people like me.

And I was on that first professor watch list when it first came out. you know, anti-American and all that. And I know where he got my name, which was from a, I mean, I don't know. I assume I know where he got my name. And it had nothing to do with my teaching or anything else. It was really a way to dox somebody essentially before we had doxing.

And I was on that first professor watch list when it first came out. you know, anti-American and all that. And I know where he got my name, which was from a, I mean, I don't know. I assume I know where he got my name. And it had nothing to do with my teaching or anything else. It was really a way to dox somebody essentially before we had doxing.

And I was on that first professor watch list when it first came out. you know, anti-American and all that. And I know where he got my name, which was from a, I mean, I don't know. I assume I know where he got my name. And it had nothing to do with my teaching or anything else. It was really a way to dox somebody essentially before we had doxing.

And that's a part of our media, the idea that politics is a reality show and you can get money and you can get clicks for being as outrageous as possible. You know, I hope that that

And that's a part of our media, the idea that politics is a reality show and you can get money and you can get clicks for being as outrageous as possible. You know, I hope that that

And that's a part of our media, the idea that politics is a reality show and you can get money and you can get clicks for being as outrageous as possible. You know, I hope that that

idea of turning our government into a reality show so that people can make bank will be a moment that we that we get beyond because you know i think in many ways what we're seeing right now in capitol hill is the reality showification of the american government and it's one thing when you have a young you know

idea of turning our government into a reality show so that people can make bank will be a moment that we that we get beyond because you know i think in many ways what we're seeing right now in capitol hill is the reality showification of the american government and it's one thing when you have a young you know

idea of turning our government into a reality show so that people can make bank will be a moment that we that we get beyond because you know i think in many ways what we're seeing right now in capitol hill is the reality showification of the american government and it's one thing when you have a young you know

college dropout making money or an older one like alex jones did making money by being outrageous it's another thing when that idea that oh this is great let's see what what trauma we can create is actually running our government because i think people are about to find out what happens when you put a fantasy in charge of the strongest and most visible government on the globe

college dropout making money or an older one like alex jones did making money by being outrageous it's another thing when that idea that oh this is great let's see what what trauma we can create is actually running our government because i think people are about to find out what happens when you put a fantasy in charge of the strongest and most visible government on the globe

college dropout making money or an older one like alex jones did making money by being outrageous it's another thing when that idea that oh this is great let's see what what trauma we can create is actually running our government because i think people are about to find out what happens when you put a fantasy in charge of the strongest and most visible government on the globe

It comes back to what you were saying earlier, and I don't remember if it was on or off the recording, about the whole idea of what's the matter with Kansas, you know? And not literally Kansas in this case, but the idea there is why do people vote for a fantasy that actually damages their economic security? And, you know, I live in that world.

It comes back to what you were saying earlier, and I don't remember if it was on or off the recording, about the whole idea of what's the matter with Kansas, you know? And not literally Kansas in this case, but the idea there is why do people vote for a fantasy that actually damages their economic security? And, you know, I live in that world.