Heather McGhee

And, you know, I mean, these are institutions where Sure, there may be a plurality of people who have liberal thoughts and ideas.

And, you know, I mean, these are institutions where Sure, there may be a plurality of people who have liberal thoughts and ideas.

Read a lot.

Read a lot.

Und was sie also sagen, zum Beispiel die Angriffe auf diese Ivy League-Institutionen, die für Geld und für unsere gesamte zivilistische Gesellschaft gegründet werden, Not only to a conservative bent to say, you know, put the thumb on the scale and say, if any department doesn't have enough conservatives from the White House with a stroke of a pen, I have the power to change that.

Und was sie also sagen, zum Beispiel die Angriffe auf diese Ivy League-Institutionen, die für Geld und für unsere gesamte zivilistische Gesellschaft gegründet werden, Not only to a conservative bent to say, you know, put the thumb on the scale and say, if any department doesn't have enough conservatives from the White House with a stroke of a pen, I have the power to change that.

I mean, truly. It is so disgusting. It is so nefarious.

I mean, truly. It is so disgusting. It is so nefarious.

Heather. You know, I just spent the last two days with a scholar of autocrats, right, who studies this stuff. And they're from Harvard. I actually won't name them because of the attack. Why are you hanging out with these elites, Heather? Why the elites? I mean, listen, if anybody else has studied autocracies from across the world, I'd be very happy. Right, happy to talk to them.

Heather. You know, I just spent the last two days with a scholar of autocrats, right, who studies this stuff. And they're from Harvard. I actually won't name them because of the attack. Why are you hanging out with these elites, Heather? Why the elites? I mean, listen, if anybody else has studied autocracies from across the world, I'd be very happy. Right, happy to talk to them.

And this is the playbook, right? It is to go at the parts of society that have the power to mount a defense to total control and to bring them to heal. And I think that's the piece that...

And this is the playbook, right? It is to go at the parts of society that have the power to mount a defense to total control and to bring them to heal. And I think that's the piece that...

is scarier than anything else about what's going on right now, is that we in many ways have moved into what political scientists would call right now a competitive autocracy, meaning there are still elections, right? It's not like a military coup. But it is an autocracy in the sense that we have someone in office who wants to Rule by signature, right? I mean, he's got a majority in Congress.

is scarier than anything else about what's going on right now, is that we in many ways have moved into what political scientists would call right now a competitive autocracy, meaning there are still elections, right? It's not like a military coup. But it is an autocracy in the sense that we have someone in office who wants to Rule by signature, right? I mean, he's got a majority in Congress.

Right.

Right.

It's insane. Zero. He's got the Congress in his party. They will do their lickspittles, right? And yet, he still wants the feeling of being able to just sign a pen and change American law firms and change American universities and change American media. and cut hundreds of billions of dollars, fire tens of thousands of public servants, flouting the separation of powers.

It's insane. Zero. He's got the Congress in his party. They will do their lickspittles, right? And yet, he still wants the feeling of being able to just sign a pen and change American law firms and change American universities and change American media. and cut hundreds of billions of dollars, fire tens of thousands of public servants, flouting the separation of powers.

And ultimately, that's about his control. Even the tariffs, John, really, I think, are, because there's something, you can have an industrial policy, right? In fact, Joe Biden's industrial policies brought manufacturing back to the highest level it had been since the 1970s.

And ultimately, that's about his control. Even the tariffs, John, really, I think, are, because there's something, you can have an industrial policy, right? In fact, Joe Biden's industrial policies brought manufacturing back to the highest level it had been since the 1970s.