Heather Stewart

And then if there was a ringing endorsement of that, maybe you start tiptoeing towards it.

But again, if you're a Labour government,

How much of your time and energy do you want to put into that if you feel that Brussels isn't really ready to engage because they think we're a load of, you know, short-termist, kind of indecisive, you know, whatever.

Just can't make up our minds.

Exactly.

So Boris Johnson is completely unrepentant in the sort of Boris Johnson way.

Nigel Farage's line, I think, is that the politicians mess it up.

You know, that it hasn't been tried properly, as people sort of sometimes say about kind of Marxism or whatever.

You know, it wasn't, you know, great idea, shame about the execution.

Imagine the hideousness of this.

I saw Nigel Farage giving a talk over Brexit at Davos.

What a party that is.

Yeah, right.

But he was very much, we're not doing things differently enough.

We're not taking advantage enough.

Because there was lots of talk, wasn't there, of we would kind of cut loads of regulations and change lots of rules.

And when it came to it, actually, the government decided most of these rules and regulations, well, you need some kind of set of rules.

fine and they're needed right and businesses lots of industries also say right businesses that want to sell into the eu kind of want to stick to those rules anyway so we have not done this thing of you know let's just sweep away loads of regulation and do things completely the bonfire of red tape the bonfire of red tape was a damp squib or whatever you know never really caught light and i think farage's approach is we would do much more of that kind of stuff brexit wasn't really tried properly we will do a sort of proper brexit

So I think it has meant...

that we've had to think about some things that we didn't have to think about for a long time.