Helen Bond

Yes.

What's your historian origin story?

Oh, well, I mean, the big story is I was always going to do maths at university.

And then

And I decided I didn't like mechanics that much, but I was doing religion at school.

And I just found that really fascinating.

It was just so much more interesting.

And I like the kind of the puzzles in religion, you know, particularly to do the gospels, who's copying off who, because there's this sort of literary relationship between them.

And strange as it may seem, that was kind of what got me into it.

And I just loved, I always loved, you know, the Egyptians and the Babylonians.

and all of these guys.

I love the coffee table books.

So doing sort of Christian origins just seemed to kind of tick all the boxes for me.

That's your passion.

That's what you love to do.

And you get to do Greek and things like that.

Yes.

I think there's pretty good evidence that he was.

I know there's kind of a lot of people nowadays saying, oh, he's just a myth.

But actually, I mean, given that he's a peasant, he's a sort of a rural artisan, he's a carpenter,