Helen Bond

We don't know what he's going to do either.

Once he takes his message to the Jerusalem temple, what's he going to do next?

Is he going to do something that's going to threaten the feast?

He can't be allowed to carry on.

So it was probably in their interest to get rid of him.

And maybe they thought, you know, the Roman governor will do something for us in exchange.

So I think it's possible that they did.

have some hand in kind of, you know, handing him over.

A lot of people want rid of him.

I think a lot of people at the top are starting to think he's dangerous.

And you mentioned Judas.

We don't know for sure whether Judas is a real character or not, but... Interesting.

He might well have been.

Certainly the Gospels suggest that, you know, I mean, interestingly, they suggest that Jesus was both betrayed by a follower and denied by a follower.

So they don't kind of, they don't hide the fact that some of Jesus's disciples were, you know, less loyal than they might have been.

So yeah, maybe Judas is a real character.

Maybe he did kind of give them some inside information about where they could find Jesus.

Maybe even...

what he was saying, what his plans were, what he was thinking.

But we don't know that for sure.