Helena Rosenblatt

I mean, John Rawls, obviously a great philosopher of the 20th century, but on his caliber or on the caliber of Rawls,

John Locke or John Stuart Mill.

I don't see any.

I hope not.

You know, American intellectual historians aren't going to email me like crazy saying that I'm being unfair.

But I don't think America was notable for its liberal theorists until quite late in the game.

We do have great liberal leaders.

I mentioned Lincoln.

I mentioned FDR.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, totally.

I think that's wonderful.

But if you look at the people I look at at the very beginning, you know, there wasn't this great divide between, you know, the great thinkers and the great political leaders.

I mean, somebody like they're very pragmatic earlier there.

He's a political figure.

Benjamin Constant becomes a deputy in the Chamber of Deputies.

John Stuart Mill runs for office.

And, you know, if you read the speeches, if you read some of the speeches, the wonderful speeches people were making in those days, you know, drawing on Montesquieu and Locke, and they're, you know, they're reading this stuff as well.

So there wasn't maybe this great divide between intellectuals and practitioners that