Henry

Henry, you saw this encounter which Laura staged on television. What happened? Yes. Stage anything? Well, you did. You invited two people to sit next to you. Hang on, Henry, what did you see? Well, I saw Catherine West not just talking about her own leadership bid, for that is what it is, but inviting various members of the cabinet to

She is an MP for a constituency in North London, which, and I think this is relevant information, saw the local council Haringey have Labour lose lots and lots and lots of councillors to the Greens and Labour lose control of that council. That I think is relevant. She's been an MP since 2015.

Hän on suurin piirtein vasemmalla puolustuspaikalla, mutta en usko, että hän on suurin piirtein järjestelmällinen. Hän oli rauhassa, oli yliopistossa, ei loppunut Kirstaamon ensimmäisestä ristiriitasta. Hän on rauhassa, mutta hän on rauhassa. Hän on rauhassa, mutta hän on rauhassa, mutta hän on rauhassa.

Luulen, että minulle tärkein tarkoitus on ollut se, että jonkinlainen influenssivä ja pitkäaikainen työpaikkakysymys sanoi minulle eilen, että se on väärä, mutta se on niin väärä, että se voisi vain toimia. Ja mielestäni se on oikeastaan oikea.

Luulen, että tässä on todella suuri osa mahdollisista tuloksista. Tämä saattaa kuulostaa hienosti, mutta se ei ole oikeastaan. Luulen, että on mahdollista, että Catherine West loppuu, eikä edes 10 henkilöä, joita hän sanoi, että hänellä oli takapainossa. Mutta luulen myös, että on mahdollista, ja tämä on erinomainen positiivinen asia, jossa on pääministeri.

that by the end of tomorrow she will have 80 MPs backing her. I really do think that is possible. And I think we need to prepare newscasters for that possibility. And I am speaking to people in the Labour Party, MPs, ministers in some cases, who are outwardly loyal to the prime minister, but actually do not want the prime minister to carry on.

and believe that there are enough of their persuasion, who will sign Catherine West's papers, if indeed she does put them in. I think the other nuance to be clear of is that there are people who want Keir Starmer out, who won't sign Catherine West's nomination papers, and their issue

is that her timetable is too fast for Andy Burnham. So there's all sorts of doublespeak here that we need to kind of interpret for newscasters, and I appreciate that's very frustrating for them, but the one person really who's speaking plainly this morning is Catherine West. That's absolutely right, but where she was not plain is I asked her if anybody from

oli Kathryn West, Henry. Olin kertonut, että hän oli ollut rooli Kebabin kanssa Boris Johnsonin kanssa. Tämä on oikeastaan oikea. Ihmiset muistavat, erityisesti siksi, että oli paljon keskustelua Privileges Committeen kanssa viime viikkoja, että Boris Johnson oli lopulta, oli lopulta lopulta lopulta lopulta lopulta lopulta lopulta lopulta lopulta lopulta lopulta lopulta lopulta lopulta

The Privileges Committee investigation into what he had and had not said about Downing Street parties in the House of Commons. The crucial answer he gave was in response to a question from Catherine West at Prime Minister's Questions. Catherine West. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Will the Prime Minister tell the House whether there was a party in Downing Street on the 13th of November? Prime Minister.

Missä pika? No, but I'm sure that whatever happened, the guidance was followed and the rules were followed at all times. So, yeah, I mean, she appears to be shaping up to have an outsized role in British political history for someone who, as it stands, has been an MP for a decade. You know, not many people will have heard of her until yesterday and did a sort of relatively brief stint in a relatively junior ministerial role.

As you said, Laura, those are union leaders from the left of the Labour Party. They've never been particular fans of Keir Starmer. Nevertheless, the vitriol that they were pouring on him personally is still quite striking to hear. I was also very struck, and Sharon Graham referenced this on your program, by the...

Tuulo's statement that was put out on Friday night. Now, Tuulo is the organization of all of the affiliated trade unions to the Labour Party and includes trade unions, which have generally been very supportive of Keir Starmer's leadership, like the GMB, like Unison, like Osdor and others. And it was really interesting.

Kiir Starmerin huolehtiminen on todella huomattava, että haluaisin keskustella siitä, miten hän voi muuttaa. Se tuntui minulle, että se oli melko huono huomio prime ministerille. Luulen, että kun puhutaan siitä, mitä olit sanonut tähän puheenvuoroon, jota prime ministeri antaa huomioon huomioon. Luulen, että riskit prime ministerille ovat

is that it makes things worse. And you see it, you've both seen it with more than me, with prime ministers when they're in a tailspin, is that sometimes they get to a position where everything they say just makes things worse. I'm not saying Keir Starmer is in that position, but I've spoken to MPs over this weekend who think he may well be, because if he doesn't offer something that moves beyond the sort of thing he might have said last week, if he'd given this speech last week, which at some point was the plan,

I think a lot of MPs are going to be very frustrated and considering, in a way that they would never have entertained a few days ago, putting their name next to Catherine West's name.

I think it's a great point from Chris, and it's something I've been thinking a lot, as we've heard this line trotted out by supporters of Sakhir Starmer. I mean, let's look at the leadership changes the Conservatives made in their 14 years. David Cameron to Theresa May, well, that was enforced by the public, really, via the Brexit referendum, so that kind of doesn't count. Theresa May to Boris Johnson, well, the Conservatives had just finished, I think, fifth in the European elections, and had no sign that they knew how to break the Brexit logjam, and five months later they won

melkein iso järjestelmä, vaikka se ei ollut Keir Starmerin tasolle. Tämä on tietysti mennyt hyvin heille. Boris Johnson ja Liz Truss, tietysti on haastavaa, mutta onko Keir Starmerin ystäviä, joita konservatiiviset olisivat pitäneet Liz Trussin kanssa, jotta he eivät muuttaneet puheenjohtajaa? En usko, että heillä on konservatiivisten parhaat intressit. Se on oikeastaan se, mitä he sanoisivat. Sitten katsotaan vaikka Labour-partia ja katsotaan kaksi henkilöä, jotka näyttivät Downing Streetissa Labourin jäsenvaltioista. Gordon Brown ja Harriet Harman. Gordon Brownin hallituksen lopuksi

Harriet Harman, jos uskallat Andrew Rawnsleysin, yritti laittaa kuu, mutta siitä puhuttiin. Labour-parti pysähtyi Gordon Brownin kanssa ja he menivät keskusteluun. Tarkoituksena, jos he olisivat vaihtoehtoja, he olisivat voineet tehdä koalitiota liberaldemokraattien kanssa, eikä konservatiivisten kanssa. Tämä on poliitikkojen vahvistus, että he pysähtyisivät historiasta heidän omaa argumentaatiotaan. Mutta siellä on kaikkea täysiä nonsensseja, joita puhutaan.

I think they're absolutely all on WhatsApp to each other non-stop, absolutely, as they digest this. I think the nub of the issue that actually all of this comes to, the question of changing leader versus the instability of changing leader too often, the question of radical policies being pursued in Wales and Scotland by contrast to England, it all comes back to