Henry Riley

What do you make of it all?

Well, Andy Burnham, we hear, has dropped out of a regular radio appearance that he has.

He was due to appear on a radio phone-in show, as he always does.

As you said, he might be in the car park or outside the nightclub still, but he must be up to something.

He must be trying to pay his money to get in because he's up to something.

And I was watching you on Sky the other night on Cathy Newman's programme, and it seemed to me that you were agnostic over who should take over, as long as it wasn't Keir Starmer, because you believe that he hasn't defined what Labour is, that people are very confused about what the Labour stands for under him.

Is that right?

Given that Angela Rayner has been freed of the shackles of the taxman as of this morning, she seems to be that person who has that kind of energy.

And if we remember her in the last campaign and in the early days of this government, before I think the tensions between her and Keir Starmer became apparent, she really sort of embodied what that change was.

Do you agree?

and let the race start otherwise we'll just be in this sort of phony war I know it's a bizarre situation but I just mean that given that she has now settled the issue with revenue that now might be the time but I see even in that interview she did with The Guardian and ITN she said she was open to running for the leadership but that she wouldn't trigger a contest which still seems she's open yeah I don't know why she would say that yeah which means you can take part as a voter or take part

Mick, great to talk to you.

Thank you very much for joining us this morning.

Mick Lynch there, former trade unionist.

Morning, Clare.

Well, the speech is finished, but he's currently answering questions, quite difficult questions from the media.

Without being uncharitable, it's not the highest bar with Keir Starmer in terms of rhetorical flourishes.

I mean, this is not the oration of someone like Sir Tony Blair, for example.

But nonetheless, I mean, really, he has got various eyes on him today, not just his own personal.

constituency, which is the Labour Party and in particular the MPs, but also really the British public who can see that he is bruised after the shocking election results from last week.