His Eminence Cardinal Timothy Dolan

Now that trust has to be earned and cultivated and never taken for granted.

You kind of go in with four or five candidates that you think

could take the chair of Peter.

Now, everybody knows about the conclave when we go into the Sistine Chapel and when the doors are shut and you don't see us until the white smoke comes up.

What they don't know is carefully choreographed before that,

from the day after the death of the Pope, we cardinals would meet every day.

So we're there and we hear one another because every cardinal is invited to, and believe me, we all take that invitation seriously, to stand up and address our brother cardinals.

We speak about the challenges facing the church and the kind of man that we would need to lead it.

After those two weeks, we know each other pretty well.

We know the needs of the church.

And then the flow of the conclave, as codified over the centuries, is also very helpful in the number of ballots.

Because the first ballot, you would see the top candidates.

We want to avoid two extremes, Clark.

The conclave is not...

like some political convention, no.

There's no overt campaigning.

There's no promises made.

There's nobody standing up saying, I think I can do it.

But there is a lot of conversation.

We can speak to one another candidly.